Could AI Kills Us? Plus Divorce Tok, Skinny BBL Trend, New Health Studies & More

[00:00:00] Chalene Johnson: What it do, boo? How are you? Thank you so much for choosing to spend some time with me today. I’m gonna make it worth your while. We’ve got a lot of hot topics to cover. My goal is to save you time so you don’t have to pay attention and do the deep dive yourself on some of these stories that impact us, the things I think are pretty interesting and fascinating.

[00:00:21] Chalene Johnson: We cover a lot of different topics. Today, I’m gonna get into what in the heck is going on with AI, with these bot farms, what you need to know when it comes to all the AI stuff. I thought ChatGPT was my friend. I don’t wanna think about ChatGPT killing me. I’m not in the mood for that. So we’re gonna dig into that.

[00:00:43] Chalene Johnson: The divorce episode I did last Friday, holy cow, that just opened up a can of worms. Y’all, we need to talk about it. Uh, I’m gonna share with you some clips that are quite X-rated, so I will put the clean version here on the show. If you’re listening on the Patreon app, you’re gonna get the unedited version.

[00:01:03] Chalene Johnson: Just be prepared when you start to hear those clips. They are quite explicit, okay? You’ve been prepared. There is a new non-hormonal drug available for women who experience hot flashes. I’m gonna tell you all about that. Maybe you are on hormone replacement therapy, but you’re still having hot flashes. The study that just came out, remarkable.

[00:01:26] Chalene Johnson: New study regarding GLP-1s, how it may benefit people who are bipolar. We will also talk about the new body trend, the skinny BBL. If you’ve always had a flat behind, if you’ve done the squats and the lunges, and no matter what you try, the booty is just not popping, there might be a solution for you which doesn’t require you going under the knife.

[00:01:53] Chalene Johnson: I’m gonna talk to you about that. Some of my favorite reality TV that I’m so excited for you to binge. Yeah, anyways, we’ve got a lot to get to, so without further ado, let’s get to it. I gotta be honest, I’m not in the mood this week for the announcement that humanity is gonna end right now. Okay? Can we all, like, circle back to quarter two?

[00:02:16] Chalene Johnson: Like, I have too much going on right now. I’m currently trying to get out of a lease where apparently I rented a luxury penthouse and accidentally subscribed to 550 days of jackhammering above our heads. Our perfect princess Penelope unfortunately did have her full mastectomy, and we didn’t get good news, okay?

[00:02:38] Chalene Johnson: And that’s all I’m gonna say for right now, because I’m not going there. I’m going to apply toxic positivity, and I’m not gonna cry, and she’s gonna be fine. That is not a medical opinion. That is a fact. And at the moment, it is the treatment plan. The treatment plan is that Penelope is gonna live forever.

[00:02:53] Chalene Johnson: I’m really at capacity right now, so when these AI guys wanna add to it like, “Oh, hey, wanna just tell you guys that humanity might be wiped out in the next four years,” what? No. We’re not doing that. Okay? At my company, we have a rule: don’t come to your boss, don’t come to Chalene, don’t come to whoever your supervisor is with a problem unless you’ve at least thought through a couple possible solutions.

[00:03:18] Chalene Johnson: Okay? So if your problem is, “Uh-oh, we accidentally created something much smarter than all the humans,” and, “Uh-oh, it might actually kill everybody,” we’re gonna need just a little bit more than your appearance on a podcast or you talking to Anderson Cooper, okay? Because You people made us do this. You forced this on us.

[00:03:42] Chalene Johnson: We haven’t had a choice. For the last several years it’s been like, “You have to learn AI. AI is the future. If you don’t use AI, you’re gonna be left behind. You’re gonna lose your job. Everyone else is gonna be moving forward and you’re gonna be stuck in the Dark Ages. You’re not gonna have food or water.”

[00:03:57] Chalene Johnson: Okay, fine. Fine, we’ll all learn ChatGPT. Your mother, your grandmother, your great-grandmother, everyone will learn ChatGPT. And then apparently ChatGPT was for idiots, and then we all needed to learn, I don’t know, Claude or Gemini or whatever, name it, Gamma. Then somebody was like, “Wait, are you kidding me?

[00:04:17] Chalene Johnson: You’re actually editing videos yourself? You haven’t used Grok yet? You’re not using Grok?” No, , I’m actually trying to figure out which one of these damn things that I’m paying $200 a month for each one of them, like which one did I actually have the whole conversation about fill in the blank, okay? And every AI expert makes you feel like you’re Amish.

[00:04:39] Chalene Johnson: Like, oh my God, you’re still booking your own flights? You’re still taking out your own trash? Oh my, that’s so weird. So you, like, don’t know how to code your own website? You actually still use somebody to program your emails? What? Are you joking? You don’t have an agent that reads your inbox, schedules your appointments, buys your friends birthday presents, wraps them, ships them, creates an NFT to pay for the shipping, and then, like, communicates that with some other agent to rebalance your portfolio investment and book a massage for you on Friday?

[00:05:13] Chalene Johnson: I’m like, no, I have Jen, okay? And meanwhile, I’m paying, like I said, like $200 a month for four of these different AI platforms. Yeah, I am that pushy that has talked to my girlfriends and they’re like, “Okay, girls, we have to do this. We need to do this.” And now we’re, like, running out of credits on three of them, and I can’t even figure out which one I’m supposed to use, ’cause each week my, whoever the expert is that I rely on is like, “Oh, no, we’re not using Claude anymore.

[00:05:37] Chalene Johnson: We’ve gone back to ChatGPT.” Okay, so maybe I won’t learn AI. But if I don’t learn AI, then my business will go out of business. And if I learn AI, great. Now the thing that used to take me 40 hours a week or 80 hours a week to do, now it takes me two hours a week. Okay, congratulations, now I’m automating myself.

[00:05:58] Chalene Johnson: Now I don’t even need to exist because I don’t even need to be an influencer because AI can create influencers that sound and look exactly like me, but aren’t quite exactly me, so they don’t have to pay them anything. And I’m sorry, but Something very strange is going on, and I’ve been saying this now for a couple of years, and I know you can back me up on this.

[00:06:16] Chalene Johnson: If you’ve been listening to the show, I regularly talk about AI, and we’re gonna get into this whole death threat that it’s gonna kill us all. Because this is not the first time I’ve thought to myself, “This just doesn’t make sense.” They’re lying to us. And who are they? I don’t know. I feel like everybody is.

[00:06:33] Chalene Johnson: Every time I hear a story in the news about a- AI, I feel like it’s an episode of, what’s that show? Black Mirror, where I’m like, “Wait, they’re lying. That doesn’t make sense.” I keep hearing the job reports and they’re saying, “No, people are not losing their jobs because of AI.” What? How can that be? Everyone I know who’s lost their job It is because so many things that were once took 40 or 60 hours or whatever can now be done in a couple of hours.

[00:07:05] Chalene Johnson: And so companies are eliminating massive amounts of people, condensing all of those things into like one person who can oversee all of it being done by AI. I don’t personally know anyone who’s recently announced, “Hey, amazing news, you guys, I just got promoted,” or, “I just got hired by this new company that wants me to do XYZ with AI.”

[00:07:27] Chalene Johnson: Like, and we keep hearing, “Oh, it’s perfectly safe. Don’t worry, your information won’t be leaked.” And every single time I upload very personal, sensitive information, I just feel like I’m rolling over. I just know this doesn’t make sense. I know that we are giving all this information to who? To what? So it can do what with it?

[00:07:49] Chalene Johnson: But also, what choice do we have if we don’t? And every time I’m around other people in my space, other entrepreneurs, and they start talking about AI, I just immediately think like, “Ugh, I need to cancel the next two weeks of my life and just stay at home and just bury myself in AI self-learning.” I just feel so behind.

[00:08:12] Chalene Johnson: And it’s not that I need to, like, keep up for any other reason other than, like, it feels like the world is moving so fast, and everyone else is aware of these things. And if I’m not, then how do I protect my business? And how do I protect my family? And how do I do all the things? Like, there’s all this fear around it.

[00:08:27] Chalene Johnson: And I think if you’re a normal person, we’ve been asking this question, the very obvious question the entire time, the question that suddenly now all these AI experts are calling to our attention. But haven’t we all been saying, all of us normies, haven’t we been saying, “Hmm, not sure it’s such a great idea to teach machines to be smarter than us and also not need us.

[00:08:52] Chalene Johnson: I’m not sure if we should be teaching them how to drive and how to operate machinery and operate weaponry and operate without us and to drive cars and make decisions and create their own economy and their own language. Not really sure this is a great idea. Maybe we should have installed a kill switch.”

[00:09:10] Chalene Johnson: You know? Like, I keep hearing people say, and myself included, “Well, there’s nothing we can do now. Genie’s out of the bottle.” But also, there’s a part of my brain that says, “Isn’t all AI tied to electricity somehow, right? Don’t we need electricity or Wi-Fi in order to operate AI? Couldn’t we just, like, pour some water on all the AI devices?”

[00:09:34] Chalene Johnson: I don’t know. But every time anybody asks about it, Silicon Valley is basically patted us on our heads and be like, “Don’t worry, there’s gonna be lots of regulations. Yes, of course, there’s some things that could be evil, but for the most part, it’s gonna be great. And don’t forget, universal basic income, and you’re gonna have so much time to spend with your family and friends.”

[00:09:54] Chalene Johnson: Okay, oh, good. Okay, good. So no one will have jobs, and apparently Sam Altman is just gonna, like, what? Venmo me or something? Got it. All right. And then We’ve been hearing these AI insiders. It’s one of the reasons why I always tell you to listen to any of the AI episodes that Diary of a CEO has done. He’s had a lot of these AI insiders on his show.

[00:10:22] Chalene Johnson: The ones that have a conscience, supposedly, and they leave their cushy, very high-paying positions because they say they have a conscience, and they realize that the companies that they’re working for… This is, like, the universal story with almost every single expert, regardless of the company that they were with.

[00:10:41] Chalene Johnson: He has these people on, and whenever they leave, they’re like, “It’s really scary, and I had to get out because I couldn’t be part of what was going on, this ultimate demise.” You’re like, okay, this person has 20 years experience. They turned down, I don’t know, $100 million because they refused to sign an NDA because they have a conscience and they want to tell the world, “Hey, by the way, if we don’t do something quickly, this could kill us all.”

[00:11:09] Chalene Johnson: This is not a new story. I think he’s probably had no less than five or six guests on his show saying exactly that. But what’s so weird is last week, this 26-year-old leaves an AI company, he leaves Anthropic, and he’s like, “Okay, hey, guys, this is dangerous,” and suddenly it’s a story? Because there’s something about the way this story has been told and the way it’s going viral that just doesn’t make sense.

[00:11:39] Chalene Johnson: I’m not in the mood, and the timeline matters. And so I want to point something out to you, okay? I’m not interested in being scared by Silicon Valley or reassured by Silicon Valley or being corrupted or influenced by any of these politicians that are in their back pockets. But something doesn’t add up, and I think it’s weird, and I think we need to be careful.

[00:12:02] Chalene Johnson: And I also think this is tied, as all things are, to money and politics and corruption, and I hate all those things. I’m not picking one side or another. I use AI, I’m a fan of AI, and I’m terrified of AI. But here’s what I found. Last week, this kid… I’m gonna call him a kid. This young man, Jacob Coxie. He’s 26, 27 years old.

[00:12:25] Chalene Johnson: He’s got a math background. For the last three years, he’s been doing something in the AI field called pre-training. Now, don’t worry, it’s actually more simple than what it sounds. Basically, he just feeds an enormous pile of text into a machine. It’s called l- learning language or a language model, and it’s studying patterns.

[00:12:47] Chalene Johnson: Basically, AI reads the whole internet all the time so it can learn everything that we’ve said, everything that we think, everything that’s happened. He did this first at OpenAI. OpenAI, as you know, is the company that owns ChatGPT, okay? That’s the company that you hear Sam Altman tied to. Then he leaves ChatGPT, and he goes to Anthropic, the company that is behind Claude.

[00:13:12] Chalene Johnson: On September 9th, he quits publicly. Instead of, like, you know, sending off an email to everybody, he sends off a tweet. But you should probably know it’s the very first tweet he’s ever sent That tweet said that basically Anthropic AI, OpenAI, they’re all gambling with our lives. He said they’re all racing towards super intelligence, which basically means that AI is going to become smarter than every human on the Earth, and his actual quote to a CBS reporter was, quote, “It really is just if you have a super advanced intelligence, it will be smart enough to kill us.”

[00:13:53] Chalene Johnson: And he said, “Within the decade.” Now, he m- may have misspoken when he said within the decade, but to say within the decade and to say in a decade are two different things. One means four years, and one means within 10 years. And I’d kinda like to know. Anyways, Cox and his message isn’t that we need to shut everything down.

[00:14:16] Chalene Johnson: Basically came out and said he thinks that companies need to agree not to push into the next territory of development. Basically, he was saying that, like, Anthropic and other companies admittedly are dealing with technology that is becoming so fast, they don’t know what this technology is going to do with bioweapon research.

[00:14:37] Chalene Johnson: They don’t know if this technology- how to put the brakes on, and this is not science fiction. That’s this month. So this guy is saying, “Listen, I wanna point out that these companies, they are fighting against each other. They’re in a race, in a race towards a hypothetical ending that we don’t know how to stop it.”

[00:14:58] Chalene Johnson: Now, this is the part that’s super weird to me. Like I said, he’s not the first. There’s been so many, but why did this one young man, who’s, again, 26, 27 years old, who’s only been working in the industry for three years, has no social media following. He had joined X, formerly Twitter, one month prior, and that was his first tweet, and within days, had 157 million retweets.

[00:15:31] Chalene Johnson: What? What? That seems kinda weird, doesn’t it? No LinkedIn, no podcast appearances. He was like a nobody. No conference photos, nothing. Like an invented person. He was basically a ghost online until this week. That is unheard of. You understand that, right? Like, I study social media. This is absolutely unheard of.

[00:15:53] Chalene Johnson: Within 24 hours, he has over 200,000 followers And again, that particular thread on X, completely viral. I have no idea how many retweets it’s had since then. Another thing you need to be aware of as we’re aging, especially women, is our gut health, right? So one of the things I’ve learned in interviewing so many of these doctors and experts is our bodies just do not absorb nutrients the same way.

[00:16:21] Chalene Johnson: So it’s not just about eating the protein, it’s making sure that you’ve got a healthy gut lining and that you’re actually breaking down the protein. And how do you know if you’re not, right? Well, a couple things. If you feel incredibly bloated, you just are like, “My stomach feels hard.” Like you’re- didn’t overeat the day before.

[00:16:40] Chalene Johnson: You know you’re eating something healthy, but like your stomach just feels like distended and hard. That’s one way of knowing. Obviously, if you’re gassy. And all of these things are signs that your body might be having a difficult time breaking down the enzymes in meats especially. Proteins are more challenging to break down, and so you are burning more calories while you’re breaking them down.

[00:17:01] Chalene Johnson: But if your body isn’t truly absorbing them, if your body doesn’t produce the enzymes you need to break those proteins down, then you’re not getting the same proteins in your diet that somebody else is eating the same foods. That is why I assume, in part, studies are showing that as we age, especially women, we need to increase our protein intake, like perhaps even beyond one gram per pound of lean body mass.

[00:17:25] Chalene Johnson: So one of the things I started taking is an enzyme. It’s like a gut enzyme, basically. It helps you to break down any proteins. The thing I notice right away is flatter stomach. Just because I love steak, I love chicken, I love meat proteins, animal proteins. I love the amino acid profiles of that. So I started taking what’s called Mazymes, meaning like enzymes.

[00:17:49] Chalene Johnson: You just take three capsules, two to three capsules at each meal when you’re going to have protein, which hopefully is at each and every meal. This has been a game changer, and I haven’t talked about it, and I realize, oh yeah, when someone asked me recently how I deal with the bloating related to protein, I’m like, “How have I never mentioned this?”

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[00:18:49] Chalene Johnson: So again, it’s chalene.com/digest. For comparison, there was a guy in 2024 named Jan Leike who ran safety at OpenAI, okay? When he quit, he posted something almost identical, and it got a little bit of attention, but not much. In February of this year, Anthropic’s safety team, like the guy who was the head of their safety team, like world-renowned AI expert, he quit and he said, “The world is in peril.”

[00:19:17] Chalene Johnson: That was his quote. Now, that did get a lot of views, I think almost a million views, almost 5,000 reposts. But dude, these are very well-known individuals. These are the icons of AI. These are people who have reputations and followers, and people know who they are, and they listen to them, and they believe what they say.

[00:19:38] Chalene Johnson: Geoffrey Hinton, he’s the guy who almost everyone calls the godfather of AI. He’s a Nobel Prize winner, probably one of the highest paid individuals at Google. He resigns from Google in 2023, does not sign an NDA, does not go to the bank. Instead, he risks his own reputation in the world, and he quits so he can warn the world that AI could kill us within a decade, okay?

[00:20:10] Chalene Johnson: I want you to hear this, okay? ‘Cause this is from 2023. Take a listen.

[00:20:14] Clip: So this is the kind of thing that is very hard to estimate because we’ve never had anything like this before. We’ve never created beings that may soon be smarter than us. We don’t know what’s gonna happen. We should obviously be cautious.

[00:20:27] Clip: It would be very foolish to say there was like a 1% chance. Nobody knows how to estimate it. A 10% chance seems not an unreasonable estimate to me, but nobody really knows how to give a sensible estimate. Right. But you just said 10% Doesn’t seem an unreasonable estimate that AI could- Yes … kill all humans.

[00:20:46] Clip: Yes. Wow. Oh my God. Yes. How? How could it kill us all? Well, the first thing to realize is it doesn’t even have to be able to act in the real world to cause devastation. So it would be able to cause complete chaos just by talking to people. But it will also be able to design very nasty viruses, biological viruses, as well as computer viruses.

[00:21:09] Clip: It could do devastating cyber attacks, and there’s just countless other ways it could get rid of us if it wanted to.

[00:21:16] Chalene Johnson: Pretty dramatic, right? So now why, all of a sudden, is there this brand-new moment where there’s this person who comes out of, like, nowhere with no history, and within hours it’s everywhere?

[00:21:32] Chalene Johnson: It’s on the cover of every magazine, every website, every news organization from CNN to TMZ. And dude, when TMZ enters the room, you know is getting shady. We’ve gotta follow the dots. That’s all I’m saying. So I need you to stick with me for just a moment, okay? ‘Cause this is kinda trippy. This is the kinda thing where you’re gonna accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist.

[00:21:57] Chalene Johnson: I’m just helping to separate what’s actually verified from the theory. And what’s verified is that the first three accounts to amplify Coxon’s thread, all within 15 minutes of each other… Okay, think about that. Three different AI policy organizations within 15 minutes pick up on this guy who’s never sent a tweet before and has no following.

[00:22:21] Chalene Johnson: And all three of these organizations get funding through the same source, a fund that channels money from a billionaire named Jaan Tallinn. I think it’s pronounced Jaan. It’s J-A-A-N, okay? Now, he’s an investor in Anthropic The company that Coxon had just quit. Okay, what does that mean? And by the way, this has all been verified before I recorded the podcast.

[00:22:46] Chalene Johnson: So as far as I can tell, in 2022, before any of this, Coxon, the guy who made the statement, got a scholarship for about $20,000 from a foundation called Coefficient Giving. That foundation is run by a dude who led Anthropic’s very first funding round. All coincidental? Possibly. But here’s the uncomfortable question.

[00:23:10] Chalene Johnson: Is it strange that the guy criticizing Anthropic for racing towards this evil future has a funding trail that loops all the way back to people connected to Anthropic’s investors? That’s weird. Or is it? I don’t know. People get scholarships from other people all the time. You know, they hang around with these people.

[00:23:31] Chalene Johnson: They hang around the same orbit. They scratch each other’s back. I don’t know. But here’s what cuts against the, “Wait, this is all fake,” theory, right? ‘Cause there are those politicians… We’re not gonna name politicians because this is not a political show, but this is a show that points out that things are weird, okay?

[00:23:49] Chalene Johnson: And that all politicians are Shady McShades. Now, there are those on the right who are saying, “Oh, this is all fake. This is a fake theory.” Within hours, senior safety researchers who still work at Anthropic, people with names and titles and jobs to protect, et cetera, they publicly back this guy up. One of them who leads Anthropic’s alignment team said he personally believes, yeah, extinction is real.

[00:24:13] Chalene Johnson: What? What planet are we on? So all these people who work in AI, this is their expertise, this is their profession, this is their career, and they’re all saying, “Yeah, mm-hmm. That’s what’s gonna happen. It could kill us all.” But yet politicians and people who have no clue are saying, “Don’t listen to these people.

[00:24:34] Chalene Johnson: They don’t know what they’re talking about. Just keep developing,” ’cause the last thing we would want is anyone to get ahead of the United States. And by the way, a lot of these politicians have certainly had their backs scratched and political contributions made by the companies that invest in AI companies and the AI companies themselves.

[00:24:58] Chalene Johnson: There are a lot of very wealthy, very powerful individuals, think about it, who they have a vested interest in making sure the public doesn’t freak out. Don’t panic. Don’t worry. It’s not happening tomorrow. It might not even happen for four years. You’re fine. Keep going. Here’s the part I do understand. I do understand why those who have something to gain from AI continuing and all of the investors in all of these companies, I understand why they would want everyone to just be chill, calm down, don’t worry, we’ll have some regulations in place.

[00:25:33] Chalene Johnson: Just business as usual, everybody. Right? ‘Cause they have a lot of money at stake. I don’t understand, though, what is going on where all of these AI companies, including Sam Altman, including Anthropic, including all these experts, what do they have to gain from all of the sudden standing up and saying like, “Oh, yep, now we do need to put on the brakes”?

[00:25:56] Chalene Johnson: Like what? Why now? What is going on? I’ve heard the theories. I’ve heard some of the reasons why people are saying each side is doing this. I just don’t know that it makes sense to me So three days later, this thing gets even stranger. Dario, the, I can’t ever say his last name, but the guy who is the CEO of Anthropic, right?

[00:26:18] Chalene Johnson: He’s been pretty controversial. They all are. And remember, Anthropic is the company that this kid, or this guy, Coxon, just torched, right? He’s the one who said, “I have to leave.” Well, Dario goes on CBS, and I’m gonna quote him. He said, quote, “For too long, the industry lied to people about the fact that this technology had risks.”

[00:26:43] Chalene Johnson: No, that’s not true. The industry has always said that the technology has risks. Anyone with a brain has said, “Okay, we feel like we have to participate in this because if we don’t, there’s risks, but we also know that there’s lots of risks with this technology. But we’re just hoping that y’all have a conscience and you’re putting in safeguards.”

[00:27:04] Chalene Johnson: Okay, take a listen to this little quote from Dario.

[00:27:07] Clip: I won’t lie to you, there are real dangers, and I think for too long the industry lied to people about the fact that this technology had risks. I don’t think I fully just appreciated what it would actually be like when the progress was as fast as it was.

[00:27:25] Clip: So we’re, an exponential curve looks a little like this. Where are we on the curve? We’re kinda on the bend, where it’s starting to get steeper. And- So is that a five-alarm fire to you? What it means, it doesn’t mean we need to panic today. It doesn’t mean we need to shut it all down. What I would say, it’s a warning sign.

[00:27:43] Clip: It’s a warning sign that we need to slow down.

[00:27:46] Chalene Johnson: Now, Dario and Sam Altman and Elon Musk, like, all these dudes, they’re all racing against each other. Obviously, the United States is racing against the technology of China and all the other countries that are developing their AI. So Sam Altman, CEO of ChatGPT, OpenAI, Anthropic’s biggest rival He publicly steps up last week and he agrees.

[00:28:13] Chalene Johnson: What? In fact, he says, “I’m sorry to disappoint all of our investors, but we’re not gonna be going public.” And people are just shocked. This is so weird the way these guys are suddenly having this collective about-face. Elon Musk, same thing. He’s like, “Yep, Dario’s right. Sam is right.” Okay. What is this about?

[00:28:36] Chalene Johnson: Does this mean that they’re gonna hit the kill switch? They’re gonna put on the brakes? The problem is, and all these guys have said this, that the rest of the world is also developing this technology. So if we slow down, the United States slows down, and the rest of the world doesn’t, they just keep moving ahead, well then we lose power and we, there again, are at risk for being taken over.

[00:29:02] Chalene Johnson: We need to be the greatest superpower, don’t we? And why should we care, Shalene? Okay, let’s walk our way through this because I think the danger is real, and insiders across multiple companies who were diabolically opposed to each other, it seems like all of a sudden they’re genuinely scared. What is this about?

[00:29:24] Chalene Johnson: And it’s also backed up by people with serious credentials, not just Cox, and people have been saying this for a while. It’s just now that the mega leaders of AI are standing up and admitting that this is scary stuff. And the dangers, like I said, it’s very real, but the bigger companies benefit either way.

[00:29:44] Chalene Johnson: They benefit whether there’s safety rules in place, I want you to think about this for a second, or there aren’t. If there’s major regulations that are put in place, guess what that does? It eliminates any new smaller company in the field, right? So it’s easy math for these companies that have– They’re already worth hundreds of billions.

[00:30:07] Chalene Johnson: It eliminates any scrappy little startup or any competition, right? Smaller competitors cannot survive expensive compliance requirements. There’s that. Is it possible that these guys have suddenly had a moral awakening? Or had they just all agreed like, “Hey, if we all agree to agree that this is really scary, can we all just like stop with the lies and throw our hands up and say, ‘We’ve got to figure out how to put on the brakes’?

[00:30:34] Chalene Johnson: And hey, we need to figure out how to get the rest of the world to put on the brakes”? I suppose it’s possible that all of these Silicon Valley egomaniacs who were like racing to have the ultimate power have just realized, wait a s- what, what’s the point of having all the power if there’s nobody here?

[00:30:50] Chalene Johnson: And this is a real fear. So what does this mean for you and I, girlfriend? Okay, couple things I want you to know that I have noticed and I’m trying to be more and more aware of. And a lot of this stems from, I know you’re gonna think I’m a lunatic for connecting these dots, but remember when I told you about what happened with me with the Lindsay Clancy case, how I had made this video?

[00:31:14] Chalene Johnson: I don’t even want to get into it, but I, I was talking about my position, okay? ‘Cause I don’t want the bots coming after me again. I was talking about my position, and let’s just say that my position was position A. And then I had hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of comments from people attacking me for position B.

[00:31:35] Chalene Johnson: And I’m like, “What? What alternate planet am I on? I was making position A. Why are these people freaking out and telling me that I made, my position was position B?” And then I dug further, and then I understood. What happened is my account somehow got flagged by a bot farm. In other words, there must have been something I said or a phrase or a hashtag or something that triggered the reaction of a bot farm.

[00:32:05] Chalene Johnson: Now, a bot farm is basically… How do I describe this? It’s hundreds and thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of old devices that are tied to an actual IP address. So in many instances, like when you get rid of your iPhone 7 or your iPhone 15 because the 18 just came out, people buy those old devices, and they take out the circuitry, and they put them in these rooms where you’ll see hundreds of them just, like, stacked in rows as…

[00:32:38] Chalene Johnson: Do you remember the old record stores where you would see rows and rows and rows and rows and rows of records, just, like, thousands and thousands of records? Well, that’s what it looks like. It’s all these devices, and they’re programmed by AI, and they all have their own independent accounts, and it looks like it’s a real person with a real profile until you look a little bit closer.

[00:32:58] Chalene Johnson: But these are all programmed, and someone can give it some very simple guidelines. Like, let’s say, for example, I am a celebrity, and I’m in the middle of a PR nightmare, and I hire a reputation firm, and that reputation firm works with a number of agencies, including those which commission bot farms. And what they can do is scour the internet.

[00:33:20] Chalene Johnson: This is all through AI. This is all machine learning. And they can search for any place where maybe someone’s making a negative comment about said celebrity. And these bots have been trained to have a variety of personalities. Think about this, you guys. Your AI can speak to you as if it’s a human. It can think as if it’s a human.

[00:33:42] Chalene Johnson: These AI bots, these bot farms, they are programmed and told what to think. They can even argue with you. Do you understand? So when you’re arguing with someone who is making you want to bang your head against a wall, somebody on Instagram or Facebook, just keep in mind you might actually be arguing with a bot, and there’s so many of them, and you really can’t tell because they will go back and forth with you the same way your ChatGPT or Claude will go back and forth with you.

[00:34:17] Chalene Johnson: They are programmed in much the same way, except they are programmed to have a specific opinion and with a specific intention, and they are programmed to go all over the internet and shift opinion, shift public sentiment. It is why within a matter of just days, you can feel public sentiment shift on just about any topic, whether it’s politics or AI or the Lindsay Clancy case or a celebrity’s reputation or a political figure, you name it.

[00:34:53] Chalene Johnson: And oftentimes, think about it, you and I both do this. You have an opinion on something, and then you start reading the comments and what everybody else is saying about it, and then you’re like, “Huh So maybe I was wrong. And then you’re reading what other people are saying is fact in social media, and you’re reading so many people stating the same fact that then your own beliefs begin to shift, and you begin to repeat these same, quote-unquote, facts that have not been substantiated.

[00:35:23] Chalene Johnson: But you’re seeing so many people say them that you’re thinking to yourself, “Well, this must be true.” And do you see what I’m saying? What I’m trying to point out here, I don’t know the truth of any of this. All I know is that we are living in a time where we can so easily be manipulated, not because we’re gullible, but because the technology allows for it.

[00:35:46] Chalene Johnson: We can be seeing footage and documentation and videos that isn’t even real. And so you’re not being asked to believe something that you can’t see. You’re, you’re being shown something that maybe never even happened. You’re seeing thousands and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of comments supporting one particular theory or idea, and it might not actually be true.

[00:36:12] Chalene Johnson: It’s a scary time to live in. And then none of us wanna make a mistake. We all wanna make sure that we’re in the know. We don’t wanna be the last one to figure things out or the idiot who’s taking the opposing view. We all just, we wanna belong. We wanna feel safe. And I’m so sorry that I don’t have a, “Hey, guys, here’s what we should do.”

[00:36:30] Chalene Johnson: I don’t. If I, if I did, I would– I wouldn’t just be a podcaster. But here’s what I’m doing, and hopefully this will be helpful. I’m going very slow. I’m not buying into anyone’s immediate opinion. I am not allowing social media or the shift in public sentiment to dictate how I feel about anything, and I’m trying to apply as much common sense as I possibly can.

[00:36:57] Chalene Johnson: And yeah, I really do hope that we take regulations as it pertains to AI much more seriously. I think the language models are amazing. Where we have real cause for concern, remember this, is giving these machines the ability to think and do for us And remember that when you see or hear or it feels like public sentiment, like, has a tidal wave shift, it probably has a lot to do with the way that they can manipulate opinion today.

[00:37:32] Chalene Johnson: I am so dreading this next election. Can I just stick my head in the sand? Can I just say that they’re all evil, they’re all politically corrupt, they’re all financially corrupt, they’re all cheaters and liars and narcissists and freaks? Actually, you know what? I read an interesting study that said most politicians are not sociopaths, but a lot of them are narcissists.

[00:37:54] Chalene Johnson: Well, okay. Well, I guess that’s reassuring. Not. My message to you is to go slow, keep your guard up, because something is up. The episode that I did last Friday, whoa, dude. I talked about the gray affair and gray divorces. I wanna give you another call to action. I received so many great emails from you. You can keep it completely anonymous.

[00:38:18] Chalene Johnson: You can make a fake Gmail account if you want to share your story with me. You can change the names and locations. But so many of the emails I got were really profound, and they were heartfelt, and they were really long and filled with so much detail and so much consistencies and commonalities. I’ve only received letters from women.

[00:38:39] Chalene Johnson: That doesn’t surprise me. And the majority of the emails I’ve received thus far are from women who have experienced a gray affair. And I would say, at this point, probably 80% of those who wrote to me basically said what I described in the podcast was very much them. So I’d like for you to know, if you listened to that episode, you’re not alone.

[00:39:00] Chalene Johnson: If you related to a lot of the studies and research that I reported on, many of you said it was reassuring to finally almost make sense of it, because a lot of you said that you were also in a very content, happy relationship and that the affair partner was not someone you were, like, necessarily attracted to or wanted to leave your spouse for, but it did awaken something in you.

[00:39:26] Chalene Johnson: I would love to do an episode just on the gray affair. To do that, I’d like to hear more from you. I’d love to hear from any of you who were on the other side of it. Maybe you did come out to your partner, or maybe your partner came out to you. If you stayed together, what does that look like? Were you able to heal?

[00:39:48] Chalene Johnson: If you weren’t able to stay together, what did that look- Tell me your whole story. Don’t hold anything back. Make it as long… I mean, I’ve got some really long emails, and they’re fascinating, and I just wanna thank you guys for opening up and sharing your heart with me. The email address is thechalinesshow@gmail.com.

[00:40:08] Chalene Johnson: But on that subject, in preparation for last Friday’s show, I talked about a lot of the content that I was consuming preparing for it, and many of you had asked for more details. Mainly, the content that I was watching is on TikTok. They call it divorce talk, so if you wanted to, like, search a term or a hashtag, divorce talk, T-O-K.

[00:40:28] Chalene Johnson: It’s mainly women in their 40s and 50s and 60s and 70s, I’m sure, and I’m sure there’s divorce talk that’s for men, too. I just, the algorithm is serving me up the ladies. It’s basically women who are kind of using social media as a way to connect with others, as a way to process, as a way to get through it, and as a way to, like, document what they’re going through.

[00:40:52] Chalene Johnson: Like, in one video, they’re crying, and the next video, they’re cracking jokes. And it’s not just a couple of n- of women. This is huge, and they have massive followings, and some of it is freaking juicy AF. Sometimes I’m just like, “Wait, where did the algorithm just drop me off?” I’m scrolling, and I suddenly land on this woman’s video.

[00:41:15] Chalene Johnson: Her name is Brandi Hammond, and I’m gonna play for you a little clip. Well, you’ll hear the beginning of it. She basically introduces herself and says, like, “Hi, this is where I read the emails of my cheating, deceased ex-husband because I can’t afford therapy.” I don’t know. There’s probably 50 or more videos, and she goes through and reads this chain of emails that she discovered after her husband’s passing.

[00:41:46] Chalene Johnson: Now, I think she’s late 50s. I don’t know, maybe early 60s. Her husband was in his 70s. She had been his caregiver. They had been married for a long time. At first, you don’t know much about the marriage. You just are like, “Holy . What kind of drama is this?” And I’m gonna play for you one of these audios in just a second.

[00:42:10] Chalene Johnson: I’m gonna beep out some things on the regular show. Of course, if you’re on Patreon, you always get the unfiltered version. But for the regular show, I’m gonna take some things out of this because her ex-husband’s emails to set up these rendezvous were really, really explicit. This is one of the first videos I watched of her.

[00:42:31] Chalene Johnson: Okay, take a listen. Welcome back to Blue Panties and Bourbon, where I read my cheating ex-husband’s emails to the people he was trying to cheat on me with because I can’t afford therapy. Today, we are reading one from June 17th, 2024. This is the same day he was writing to another guy. I mean, he was cheating on me like it was a job.

[00:42:49] Chalene Johnson: He’s writing in response to this person’s double list ad, and he says, “I feel like we should at least communicate some to gauge connection. I fit every criteria you wrote about. I want what you want. I fit your description of who you’d like. I’m 55.” N- no. Lie. He was 71. “A married white male.” Well, he was honest about that.

[00:43:10] Chalene Johnson: “Seven inches cut.” Now, this is the one that baffles me because in different- Like answers. He changes the size of his- which I, I, I’m, I’m honestly baffled by, because sometimes he says he’s 7, sometimes he says 7 1/2, sometimes he says 8, but he kinda goes up and down that one-inch scale, and I, I don’t get it.

[00:43:30] Chalene Johnson: Anyhow, verse bottom, I don’t know what that means. I’m 5’11”, no, he was like 5’9″. Uh, and weigh 184, also, no. Um, 33-inch waist, no. 44-inch chest, maybe. Bubble, muscular butt, swimmer’s build, also, no. I mean, he was 71 years old. He had a dad bod. He had, he had a belly. I mean, it was like a melon. You could thump that thing.

[00:43:55] Chalene Johnson: But whatever. He sucked it in a lot on his pictures. Anyway, I’m told I’m pretty easy on the eyes. I am DDF. That’s D- disease drug free? Is that what that is? Uh, tested and will test again. Last was two months ago. Lie. I’d like s- one guy to be sexual with. I’d want us to be both DDF so we could play however we wanted without anxiety about safety.

[00:44:18] Chalene Johnson: I like a lot of different male body types, and in bed, for me, it’s more about your passion than having a great body. Write me, please. Your ad was very appealing and unique. But I’ve learned that some men just get uncomfortable when their lover offers passion to them. I want one guy to be with who is comfortable with all that and knows I’m not trying to screw up his marriage by giving him the passion we may both be missing.

[00:44:43] Chalene Johnson: And I did not say before, discretion is honored 100%. As far as meeting goes, we can split hotel costs when I can’t host. All my best, David. Apparently, he never got an answer, because on June 18th it says, “Looks like you quickly lost interest. That’s unfortunate, but like I said, neither one of us wants to waste time, so best wishes and good luck in your search.”

[00:45:07] Chalene Johnson: Wah, wah. So that was that for Rick. And so she just kind of ends it, and the next video starts up with her going through the sequence of emails, and it feels like they’re never-ending. Like, there’s years’ worth of these emails, and I think probably from reading the comments underneath, the reason why it’s so fascinating, because here she was married to this man who looks very masculine, presents very masculine, presents as basically heterosexual and in a monogamous marriage, but that’s not what was happening.

[00:45:44] Chalene Johnson: Is that considered a gray affair? I guess so. That’s one version of one. It’s a guy who apparently wasn’t getting what he wanted at home, was looking for something I’m not gonna kink shame, but certainly not what his female wife could provide. But yet he didn’t wanna leave his wife I watched enough of these, I’m not gonna lie.

[00:46:06] Chalene Johnson: I watched a couple, and then I just… I don’t know. It didn’t make me feel good. It made me feel sad. It made me feel bad. It made me feel like it was content I shouldn’t be seeing. Do you know what I mean? And then it made me wonder, they have children, the children are hearing this, and this was a second marriage for them.

[00:46:26] Chalene Johnson: Children from his first marriage are hearing these stories after their father’s passed, and I’m not, like, defending anybody, I’m just saying, like, it can be very complicated. And also, we know her side And he’s not here to defend himself. It’s complicated, and a lot of these stories, it is complicated, ’cause you’re only ever hearing from one party.

[00:46:50] Chalene Johnson: Another woman who’s got tons of followers, tons of views on her videos, her name is Jen Hamilton, and she’s a labor and delivery nurse, married almost 14 years, and she says basically she found out that her husband was leading a completely double life with another woman. What did she do when she found out?

[00:47:08] Chalene Johnson: Well, she threw herself a party, and she called it Jen Dependence Day, and she burned her bedsheets on camera, and then posted the whole thing, like, live. Like, “Here you go, world.” Kind of find that kind of funny. I probably would do something like that too. But here’s a clip of her basically describing the double life.

[00:47:27] Chalene Johnson: Take a listen.

[00:47:28] Clip: Okay, the videos are getting crazy and wild. I’m done being people’s PR manager. My kids know, everybody in my orbit knows, so I’m just gonna give you the nitty-gritty details so it can give you enough information to be like, “Okay, I get it.” And if you don’t want me to talk about this stuff, I don’t know.

[00:47:45] Clip: Like, maybe don’t do it, or, like, don’t do it while you’re married to, like, a super public person who talks about their pubes on the internet. Okay, here’s what you need to know. For the people making videos saying he’s gay, God, I wish. Man, can I please trade reasons? I would give my left foot for that to be why.

[00:48:05] Clip: All you need to know is this person had a double life, okay? Do y’all remember when I was crying my eyes out outside saying, “I wanna talk to the healed version of me,” and I was losing my mind over this person? That was before I knew about the double life, and what has come out since has caused me to deal with this as a death.

[00:48:26] Clip: That’s what it feels like in my soul, because, like, all the memories, all the tender moments, poof, I do not know this person, truly. So I’ve been the only one working for a long time because I wanted to take stress off of him. Which sounds so stupid now. And while I was at the hospital taking care of people, he found the time to have a whole nother life.

[00:48:53] Chalene Johnson: And again, millions of people are watching these videos, not because they’re polished. I mean, these are the opposite of polished. They’re messy. They’re raw. Like Brandi’s videos, there’s no special lighting, no special microphone. She’s not even looking at the camera. She’s just putting on her readers and reading her emails.

[00:49:09] Chalene Johnson: And I get the appeal, right? Like, this is serious drama, and I also feel like we’re starving for entertainment or distraction or whatever it is you wanna call it. But I also think that I would think twice before doing this, even though I’m sure it’s very therapeutic. And the reason why is it’s complicated.

[00:49:31] Chalene Johnson: You can get yourself in a whole heap of trouble legally, in terms of defamation, in terms of damaging another person’s reputation, even if it is your opinion. Even if it’s the truth, even if it is your experience, people can still bring an action against you. And I think that, especially when there’s family members and children involved, I, I think it’s something we just gotta think twice about, and there’s lots of divorce…

[00:49:56] Chalene Johnson: I, I won’t play any of the clips, but there’s a lot of divorce lawyers who are on TikTok saying, “Yeah, I wouldn’t do this.” Okay, I wanted to tell you guys about a new Ozempic trial, a new Ozempic study, ’cause we talk about the pros and cons of these drugs a lot. I always wanna bring to you anything that I think you need to know about, especially in that GLP-1 drugs are just about as popular as AI right now.

[00:50:21] Chalene Johnson: Well, there’s a new study out of Griffith University in Australia, came out last week. They looked at almost 15,000 real people who have bipolar disorder, and they tracked them for 15 years. I know you’re thinking GLPs are brand new. They are not. They’ve been around for quite a while. From 2009 to 2024, every single one of them in this study had been prescribed a GLP-1 medication at some point.

[00:50:45] Chalene Johnson: Same family of drugs as, you know, Ozempic, Wegovy, blah, blah, blah. And here’s what they found. These people who were actually on the semaglutide- They had a 21% lower rate of ending up hospitalized from a psychiatric crisis. Interesting, 21%. What does that mean? I guess it could mean a lot of things. It could mean that something about the semaglutide provides a calming effect to inflammation, inflammation in the brain, and obviously inflammation in the brain is tied to mood.

[00:51:19] Chalene Johnson: Now, I just wanna be clear, I’m just reporting on this stuff. It never means I’m endorsing it. I also have heard the opposite is true. We’ve talked about studies where there’s a higher rate of mental health disorders, including anhedonia. I don’t think this is a green light for you to self-diagnose or to change your own prescription, or to give yourself the green light on taking one of these drugs that maybe you don’t need to take.

[00:51:42] Chalene Johnson: I’m just reporting the facts. But if you’ve ever been told, you know, “Hey, you just need to eat less, and you need to calm down,” and you also have been diagnosed with bipolar, it might be worth having a conversation with your clinician. Of course, if you need a clinician for anything, whether it’s your hormones or a GLP-1, or a hair serum, better skincare to figure out if estrogen is right for your face, and you’re looking for a clinician who specifically has training with women in menopause and perimenopause, my go-to is Midi Health.

[00:52:16] Chalene Johnson: That’s who I use. I always highly recommend them. There are bajillions of telehealth companies online right now that offer GLP-1s that I wouldn’t touch with a 10-foot pole. You just please… You need to understand, not all telehealth companies are created equal. Please, please use a source that’s reputable.

[00:52:38] Chalene Johnson: Do your due diligence. Have a list of questions that you’re going to ask your clinician in advance, and schedule an appointment. I would highly recommend if you’re looking for someone Check out Midi Health. You can go to chalene.com/midi, M-I-D-I. It’s also where I get my tretinoin, also known as RetinA. I get that prescribed through them, my, my retinol, hormones.

[00:53:03] Chalene Johnson: They don’t offer all peptides, but the ones that are legally compounded here in the US, you can talk to your clinician to see if you are a fit, and they do offer insurance. I should say they take most major insurance plans, and they are available in all 50 states. So give them a call, set up an appointment.

[00:53:22] Chalene Johnson: Doesn’t hurt to have a consultation and see if it’s the right fit for you. Speaking of hormones, there is a new hormone-free, yes, for my girlies who are not candidates for hormone replacement, maybe you had a breast cancer diagnosis or it runs in the family, or it’s just something you, you don’t wanna touch with a 10-foot pole, there are options for you.

[00:53:44] Chalene Johnson: Maybe you’re over 60, over 70, and you feel like, uh, you know, hormones are not the right fit, but you are still experiencing hot flashes. There is a new drug that looks very promising. I’m gonna tell you about it. It’s a study that was published, again, last week in JAMA International Medicine, and no one’s really talking about this.

[00:54:05] Chalene Johnson: The study looked at a drug called, and I’m gonna spell this because you might wanna write it down, E-L-I-N-Z-A-N-E-T-A-N-T. Elinzanetant, I guess is how you say it. The parent company is called Lynquet, L-Y-N-Q-U-E-T. So they had over 600 women that took part in this study, ages 40 to 65, more than 80 sites across North America and Europe, and the women who were taking this drug saw a 74% drop in hot flashes over 12 weeks.

[00:54:43] Chalene Johnson: Now, it is very important they tell you this: women on the placebo experienced a 47% drop Isn’t that interesting? I mean, that’s a huge gap though. Believe it or not, in a lot of these drug studies, the placebo oftentimes is almost exactly what the actual drug is. That’s why I’m always like, you know, if you’re thinking about going on a GLP-1, why don’t you just imagine that you’re on one and see if that helps control your appetite?

[00:55:14] Chalene Johnson: Why don’t you just imagine that you’re taking a drug right now, or have someone pretend that they’re giving you a drug for hot flashes? ‘Cause there’s a good chance you’ll have a 47% drop in your hot flashes. I’m only joking. That’s a pretty significant result, so if that’s something that you experience, that’s, that’s another thing you could talk to your clinician at Midi Health about.

[00:55:36] Chalene Johnson: It’s not some brand-new discovery sitting in a lab somewhere. The FDA had already approved this back in October of last year, and it’s been available and on the shelves since November. Here’s the thing that I would be really curious to find out. I’m sorry I didn’t research this before recording, it just came to me.

[00:55:51] Chalene Johnson: I wonder if this drug could be used in addition to hormone therapy. ‘Cause I mean, I have a few friends who, even though they are on HRT, they still get hot flashes, and they’re still incredibly annoying, and they’re still constantly trying to, like, tweak their dosages to figure out the right dosage to not experience hot flashes.

[00:56:14] Chalene Johnson: I’m happy to say I’ve, I’ve never had a hot flash. I’m so lucky. My mom has had them, so I don’t know why I’ve never had them, but I’d be curious. So it might be something if, if you’re struggling with hot flashes, if you had, write down the name of that drug again. Talk to your clinician. If you don’t have a reputable clinician to work with who can prescribe something like this for you, ask your clinician at Midi Health.

[00:56:33] Chalene Johnson: Again, that was chalene.com/midi, and I will put the link to this study in my show description as well. All right? Let’s talk about the new release, the findings of the actual cause of death for Hayden Panettiere, ’cause this is kinda sad. And I wanna be careful about this one, because I think there’s still a lot we don’t know, but there is a new report that came out on September 14th that Hayden died after taking a pill that she believed…

[00:57:05] Chalene Johnson: They think she believed it was oxycodone. Law enforcement sources are saying that the pill was actually laced with fentanyl, so that likely means it was purchased or obtained on the black market. That I don’t know for sure. She died on August 16th in an apartment in Greenville, South Carolina. She was 36 years old.

[00:57:24] Chalene Johnson: She was with her on-again, off-again boyfriend who she’d talked about in the book that she had just released, and about how volatile, unhealthy, and toxic their relationship, and abusive their relationship was. The reports are saying that she bought the pills from a dealer in LA, someone that she’s known for a long time, who’s now under investigation obviously.

[00:57:50] Chalene Johnson: Her autopsy report showed that there was no signs of trauma. I don’t think that they’ve released the full toxicology report, but it’s just, it’s very sad that fentanyl is so scary. I- it is insane the number of deaths related to fentanyl, and to think that here’s a celebrity, and how many people out there are buying other drugs on the black market, you know, may- maybe from a source on TikTok, and you, you just never know how it could be contaminated.

[00:58:25] Chalene Johnson: It’s another reason I always urge you, especially those of you that are buying your peptides on the black market, on the gray market, from that super reputable person that works at your nail salon, or that, “Oh, no, I… No, it’s from this dude. I, I can totally trust him. He’s got this great pharmacy.” I mean, come on.

[00:58:45] Chalene Johnson: Please be careful. This stuff is scary. It’s really scary. This could be somebody’s kid, could be your sister, could honestly be anyone. We’ve gotta be much more careful about what it is we have access to and just sticking it in our body because we can get it from a cheaper source There is a trend, a body trend.

[00:59:07] Chalene Johnson: It’s a trend that I’m bringing up because I’ve been watching the… I thought it was great, Earl Meets World. It is the Alix Earle, I guess you could call it documentary reality TV series featuring her whole family. Freaking fascinating. Anyways, what got me thinking about that is there are all these people who are alleging that Alix Earle got what’s called a, quote, “skinny BBL.”

[00:59:35] Chalene Johnson: Do you know what that is? You know what a BBL is, right? So a regular BBL is when, I guess, I think it’s still when they- women have fat injected into their butts. It used to be that they would put silicone or a butt implant in there, and then they realized, oh, wait, too many people are dying from that. But it is still, just even doing a regular BBL where they inject, they suck fat out of some other part of your body, and then they inject the fat into your buttocks, it’s still one of the highest mortality rates of any plastic surgery.

[01:00:11] Chalene Johnson: But now there’s this new trend that’s called a skinny BBL. And by the way, PS, there are so many giant BBLs in Miami, and it’s so easy to tell, because they, they look like these two big giant balls. Like it literally looks like, no offense, just describing it, beach balls on their butt, and then these like skinny legs, and it’s…

[01:00:35] Chalene Johnson: That’s not possible. That’s not how things work, okay? I think that trend is starting to die down. Fewer women are getting this procedure, or they’re getting something far more natural. And now the big trend is the skinny BBL. What is that? That is getting a BBL but with much less dramatic results. So these are women who have like a flat butt or a barely there butt, and then they’re going to get not a traditional BBL with the normal amount of fat, but just a small amount.

[01:01:08] Chalene Johnson: So a skinny BBL is like more subtle. It’s like a surgeon, they take less fat out of the body. I don’t know if this means anything to you, but like 200 to 400 ccs From like each side of your thighs, let’s say. And then instead of putting it all in one spot, they inject tiny amounts, and they fill in hip dips, and they fill in, I guess, in areas to make your butt look rounder.

[01:01:33] Chalene Johnson: And so apparently this is the new trend, especially for women who have felt like they had nothing back there. And they’ve worked on every other part of their body, and despite all the lunges and squats that they’re doing, they just cannot develop a butt. But there are multiple ways, apparently, to accomplish this, and they’re not all surgical.

[01:01:52] Chalene Johnson: I think this is quite interesting. So I guess the trend is the same way that you can kind of like fill your cheeks with Sculptra, and Sculptra is an injectable. I have Sculptra in my cheeks. I got a little bit on each side after my facelift because you lose volume in your face. A facelift pulls everything back, but it doesn’t put volume back in your face.

[01:02:14] Chalene Johnson: So I had Sculptra as part of the procedure after my facelift. Especially on one side, I had like no volume on one of my cheeks. Ironically, the side that I sleep on. Anyway, Sculptra tells your body to produce collagen, your own natural collagen, and then your body, it takes like… It’s not instantly. It’s takes like, I think, four to eight weeks for you to get the full effect of your collagen coming back.

[01:02:38] Chalene Johnson: So now women are getting Sculptra injected into their booties. I don’t know a lot about this. I’m curious. I am curious, is this safe? Do they have to constantly go back and get it filled up? You know, there’s a couple of models. The other one is Cindy Crawford’s daughter. Can’t think of her name right now.

[01:02:57] Chalene Johnson: A lot of people have said she’s done this, one of these procedures, that she had like zero back end and now she’s got a little bit of a booty. Interesting. I don’t think I have a problem with it. I don’t know how safe it is. I don’t know. Then there’s Emsculpt, which is like, uh, magnetic pulses that build up the muscle somehow underneath.

[01:03:17] Chalene Johnson: I don’t understand that. I don’t get it. I wanna look into that too, but in that case, there’s no needles, there’s no fat, just contractions. Okay. But that’s been around for a long time. Maybe it’s a combination of these things, but it’s happening. People are always going to be messing with their bodies, including yours truly.

[01:03:38] Chalene Johnson: And you don’t need to. You’re perfect just the way you are. But if you want to, that’s up to you. Just make sure that you, you go see an expert who can help you decide what is safe Who is safe to go to, what you should be paying for something like this, how to protect yourself. I know I joke around all the time about cosmetic procedures, but it is no joke.

[01:03:59] Chalene Johnson: So if it is something you’re considering, don’t go into it lightly. Don’t decide to go to this person, have such and such done because of their testimonials. I know I, I sound like a broken record. I’m always telling you guys this. Not sponsored, but go see the beauty broker. Go see Melinda if you’re thinking about doing any type of cosmetic procedure.

[01:04:21] Chalene Johnson: My big sister bossy advice to you is don’t you dare take that risk. If you can afford some aftermarket upgrades, you can’t afford not to have someone guiding you through the process. Worth every single penny, and it’s very affordable, too, by the way. Last thing I want to end with is some reality TV. I already mentioned Earl Meets World.

[01:04:43] Chalene Johnson: I think it’s fascinating. I don’t find Alix Earle that interesting. Did I already tell you guys about this show? I’m not gonna say anything more, ’cause I feel like I already told you this. But I did not tell you about this one. It’s called Love Thy Nader, N-A-D-E-R. It came out last year. I didn’t hear anything about it.

[01:05:04] Chalene Johnson: So I started watching it this week, and I thought it was brand new. So I reached out to all my girlfriends. I’m like, “Oh my God, have you guys seen this reality show yet? It’s called Love Thy Nader.” And they’re like, “Shaleen, that came out last year.” Well, why didn’t anyone tell me? So I’m not gonna be responsible for not telling you about it.

[01:05:18] Chalene Johnson: It is so good. If you have sisters You have to watch this. It’s a reality TV show with Brooks Nader and her three gorgeous sisters. They’re all, like, about, like, I don’t know, a year or two apart from each other. They’re all supermodels, and they’re real sisters, and they fight like real sisters, and they battle, and they each have their own identity, and this is the smart one, and this is the renegade, and this is the bossy one, and this is the, the wild one that drinks too much.

[01:05:46] Chalene Johnson: And they’re all living in an apartment in New York City, and they’re all models. So, A, it’s freaking gorgeous to watch. Beautiful bodies, beautiful clothing. They’re modeling. It’s New York City. Perfectly done. It’s on Netflix. It’s so well shot. I can’t even tell you how gorgeous these girls are. The parents are iconic.

[01:06:07] Chalene Johnson: The parents are these, like, perfect, sweet, very Christian, very amazing people. And how they have these four absolutely wild child, gorgeous, freaks of nature, beautiful girls, it’s freaking fascinating. And I binged the whole thing this week. It does get into, which I was not expecting, these girls getting wrapped up in GLP-1s and addicted and having an intervention.

[01:06:35] Chalene Johnson: Dude, it’s juicy. It’s fascinating. Their fights are so real. It’s like the realest reality TV you’ve ever seen because sisters can’t fake it. It’s so good, in my opinion. And I’ve got lots of documentaries for you. I’ll post them on my Instagram stories. They always come out on Sundays. Make sure you’re on my newsletter, ’cause I send out all of that on Sundays.

[01:06:57] Chalene Johnson: Hopefully you’re, you’re getting it. I’ll put the link in our show notes. All right, that’s all for now. I love you. I mean it. And I’ll talk to you on Friday.