Chalene Under TikTok Attack Over Clancy Trial & Top Hormone Doctors’ Feud

[00:00:00] Chalene Johnson: Girl, what is up? Well, listen, we’ve got a lot to cover today. We’re gonna talk about the national holiday surrounding Dolly Parton, the stance that I’m taking personally on The Chalene Show as it relates to Dolly Parton, and then, girl, you will not even believe what happened to me. I woke up yesterday and found that I had been canceled on TikTok, and the attacks, the messages, the weirdness that has ensued is so bizarre.

[00:00:32] Chalene Johnson: I’m gonna get into it. And by the way, it pertains to the Lindsey Clancy case. So I just wanna give you a warning, ’cause I did hear from just a few people who were like, “Hey, if you’re gonna talk about that case, can you give us a little warning? Because I don’t like hearing about it. It’s too dark, and it upsets me.”

[00:00:46] Chalene Johnson: So I’m not gonna talk too much about the case today, but I do mention the nature of the case, which, as you know, pertains to a woman and her children, and the un-aliving of them, and her attempt to un-alive herself. So anyways, there’s your warning. That is gonna be discussed, and because it relates to the reason why I have apparently been canceled.

[00:01:07] Chalene Johnson: Also, huge, bizarre drama in the world of HRT, where women are fighting other women, picking sides between doctors, and this, like, very strange battle that’s happening, because some people, that’s their whole life. They just wake up every day and think, “Okay, who can I come for? Who can I fight? Who can I get into their business because I’m unhappy in my own life?”

[00:01:31] Chalene Johnson: Plus, a Penelope update at the very end, so please stay tuned for that. All right, let’s get to it. Well, it’s only been a few days, but I’m still heavy-hearted over the loss of our national treasure, Miss Dolly Parton. I love that the internet truly seems to be united over this thing and this only. Anything else, people are like, “The sky isn’t blue.

[00:01:58] Chalene Johnson: How dare you?” We universally, at the moment, love Dolly, and it needs to stay that way. Are you with me? I don’t know if you’ve heard, but they have already established the National Dolly Parton Day in Tennessee. It’s her 80th birthday, which is January 19th. But now I guess lawmakers are saying, or someone has proposed that it become a national holiday on September 25th.

[00:02:25] Chalene Johnson: Why September 25th, you might ask? I’ll tell you why. 9-2-5. Get it? Personally, I think that this needs to be a thing. This, this does need to be a federal holiday, and we are still gonna go to work, but everyone has to wear rhinestones that day, ’cause she does say, “Work in 9 to 5.” So it should be a national holiday.

[00:02:46] Chalene Johnson: So maybe the banks don’t have to work, but everybody else does. And if you’re going to work, you have to wear big hair that day. You ne- you cannot go to work with flats on. Not allowed. You’ll be sent home. You will be rejected on behalf of 9 to 5 Day. Like, and if you’re like, “Oh, I can’t wear heels because I have…

[00:03:05] Chalene Johnson: I, I can’t go up on the ball of my f-” All right, well then wear a platform. Wear a flat platform. It’s the same thing. How is a platform any different than a flat? That’s why I don’t believe in flats. Like, your foot doesn’t have to be up on an angle, but you need to be up higher on National Dolly Parton Day.

[00:03:20] Chalene Johnson: You’re gonna need to wear rhinestones. On National Dolly Parton Day, you have to gift a child a book. You have to donate money to somebody in need. You have to find a gay person and compliment them by sundown, okay? And you have to forgive at least one who you were holding a grudge against, and that’s what Dolly would’ve wanted, so that’s what we’re gonna do on National Dolly Parton Day.

[00:03:46] Chalene Johnson: I’m saying it’s September 25th, so l- can we just do that? I think I’m gonna start spreading this idea of the things that we’re gonna do on National Dolly Parton Day. I think I’m gonna start spreading this around, like on… So mark your calendars, will ya? And you’re gonna need to mark your calendar probably on September 20th so that you have all of your accoutrements together.

[00:04:06] Chalene Johnson: Like, you might have to buy a wig. I don’t know. I don’t know if you have rhinestones in your closet. I have a lot of them. You know what else I have in my closet, because they arrived today? Dude, I’m bringing them back. Reeboks with the straps. Remember the white ones? Do you remember? And with the white scrunch socks.

[00:04:24] Chalene Johnson: They just made your leg look so cute. I mean, if you had cankles, you didn’t have to worry about it, because the, the shoe and the scrunch would cover it up And it just looks so good, especially if you were real tan. You’ve been laying out in the front yard and on your plastic lawn chair with your tinfoil little sheet and your baby oil mixed with iodine.

[00:04:49] Chalene Johnson: Remember the days, ladies? You were just baking in the sun, getting yourself some skin cancer. That was me. And now here you are spending a freaking fortune on skincare to erase the damage that we did. Why did I talk about that? Oh, yeah, Reeboks with the straps. I had them in every single color. I had them in yellow, I had them in pink, I had them in baby blue.

[00:05:11] Chalene Johnson: So nothing’s changed. Even today, when I find something, I’m like, “Oh, this is cute.” The second I try it on and I like it, I don’t know why I go back to the website and I’m like, “Oh, look, they have all these other colors,” and I order the same damn dress in nine different colors. Anyways, I have not yet posted as, as…

[00:05:28] Chalene Johnson: At the time that I’m recording this, I’ve not yet posted myself with the Reeboks and the straps, but I’m, I’m just… I’m here to say we’re gonna single-handedly bring these back, ’cause they’re just so flattering. And you know what else is great about the Reeboks with the flat- I mean, we’ll see once I start wearing them how well they’re constructed.

[00:05:46] Chalene Johnson: But I no longer wear tennis shoes. What do you c- do you call them trainers? Do you call them tennis shoes? Shoe- my tennis shoes. I call them tennis shoes. I no longer wear tennis shoes that have a differential between the heel and the ball of the foot. It has to be flat. So a zero… What do they call that?

[00:06:04] Chalene Johnson: Zero drop? Yeah, they call it zero drop. No drop. Zero drop. In other words, it’s just your flat foot. It’s as close to being barefoot as possible. I also prefer to wear a shoe that has, like, no cushion because of what I’ve learned about the feet, and it has helped so many of my issues, like with my knees and my back.

[00:06:26] Chalene Johnson: My feet were always tired. My feet were always falling asleep. My feet and my ankles, and that’s the beginning of your chain, and it would move its way up, and then I would have… my knees would hurt, and then my hips would hurt, and then my back would hurt. And now I realize, oh, it all starts at the feet. So I wear shoes that are as close to being, like, no cushion as possible.

[00:06:47] Chalene Johnson: And I have a couple that I’ve recommended that are on my Shop My Page. But I will tell you off the top of my head, I, I haven’t found, like, the perfect pair. I sometimes wear Flux, F-L-U-X. I’ve also tried quite a few brands that I found on Amazon. They’re, like, $25. And I do personally believe that tennis shoes are one of those things that are just so grossly overpriced because of the name.

[00:07:15] Chalene Johnson: Kind of like a designer bag. You order a designer bag, like a Louis Vuitton or a Goyard. Is that how you pronounce it? I don’t know, ’cause I would never buy one. But they’re, they’re just pleather And to think that people are spending like $5,000 on these bags or three… Like, what are we doing? Including myself, I’ve done it too.

[00:07:38] Chalene Johnson: But then when you look at something side by side, like a pair of tennis shoes from Amazon that are pretty cute and, and I’ve worn them now for three months, and they’ve held up nicely, I’m like, “Why are we spending $225 on a shoe?” Especially one that you don’t want to have a lot of cushion. It doesn’t need to have bells and whistles.

[00:08:00] Chalene Johnson: It doesn’t need to fold your laundry. How did I get off on this tangent? I meant to tell you this. Because everyone is in love with Dolly, and we’re seeing all these stories about her and all of her quotes, isn’t it just so fun? Is- wasn’t she just so witty? How did she not… How did this woman not have her own stand-up special?

[00:08:19] Chalene Johnson: She really should have. Please go check out the post. I’m gonna put a link to it in our show description because I, if I do say so myself, I did a pretty good job of sharing. ‘Cause I s- I take screenshots of some of the most ridiculous comments and/or direct messages that I get in social media. I share them with my team.

[00:08:40] Chalene Johnson: We ha- have a little thread going just so y- it just makes us, makes me feel better when we can kind of mock the person who has sent me this horrific, usually, message. But, you know, sometimes they’re just like so absolutely mean and rude, and I’m gonna talk about that in just a moment, like what I woke up to the other morning.

[00:09:02] Chalene Johnson: But Sometimes they’re just kind of like funny because the person who’s sending it thinks they’re being clever. They think, “Oh, she’s gonna think that this is a compliment,” but, uh, hello, I have a brain, and I, and I know you’re giving me a backhanded compliment. You’re trying to put me down in the form of a compliment.

[00:09:21] Chalene Johnson: Like, when someone will be like, “Oh, wow, I wish I had the confidence to wear a dress that was meant for someone so much younger,” and you’re like, “Mm, that’s really not a compliment.” So I save those messages, and I screenshot them, and I, I never put the person on blast because I don’t need to do that. You know what I’m saying?

[00:09:41] Chalene Johnson: But I’m like, “If you’re gonna send that to me, I’m gonna use it for comedy.” And so I did a post this week where I think I did like, I don’t know, 15 or 20 carousels where you c- you can swipe, and I post the person’s rude question or comment to me, and then I posted my if, what would Dolly say answer back, but not as, like, actually, what would Shalene say, but inspired by Dolly Parton because I think there was no one better at responding to a question or a comment.

[00:10:14] Chalene Johnson: I’m sure you’ve seen the viral clip of Dolly Parton responding to Barbara Walters and every other person who ever interviewed her who would give her a backhanded compliment or ask her the most inappropriately sexual question. And she just had the funniest, most witty, self-deprecating, self-aware, put you in your place, but you don’t realize it responses, and they were, they were just so funny.

[00:10:42] Chalene Johnson: And so I, I really do try to practice that as well. When somebody calls me out for being fake, I double down, and I admit to it, you know? And so anyways, go and check those out please. But in the meantime, what I’ve loved is that that was like my little Instagram dedication to Dolly, but there’s been so much content coming out reminding us of how incredible this woman was and how humble she was.

[00:11:07] Chalene Johnson: Did you know that she had donated over 300 million books? Dolly didn’t have children, but we were all her children. She was one of the first celebrities to w- when COVID first happened, she was one of the first celebrities to donate towards the research. She donated a million dollars in 2020 towards, uh, the development of the vaccine.

[00:11:34] Chalene Johnson: And then later in 2022, she d- donated another million dollars specifically related to pediatric infectious disease research. Like, she just loved kids. She donated, are you ready for this? $12.5 million in wildfire relief. It was a fund called the My People Fund, and what she did was gave $1,000 a month to any family who had lost their home in the Tennessee wildfires, and she did that…

[00:12:09] Chalene Johnson: So if you qualified, she gave those families $1,000 a month for six months. That’s crazy. Anyways, yeah, it ended up being over, that was, uh, uh, the wildfires in Tennessee. You know, obviously she was from Tennessee. And that, uh, $12.5 million. She has donated so many times to huge relief efforts. People said a lot of it she kept private, but of the things we know, like she donated a million dollars to the Hurricane Helene, children’s hospitals, like major gifts to the children’s hospitals.

[00:12:42] Chalene Johnson: Women’s healthcare, she raised over a million dollars for women’s services in birth centers in Tennessee. She had so many different educational and scholarship funds. Dollywood, she actually developed that as a way to kind of give back to her region, kind of cr- trying to create jobs and economic opportunities for people in, in, specifically in East Hollywood.

[00:13:05] Chalene Johnson: I’m sorry, East Tennessee. East Hollywood. And she, she was just like a, a major philanthropic force, so much so that, I didn’t know this, but Jeff Bezos gives away an award, I don’t know if this is like yearly or how often he does this, but it’s called the Bezos Courage and Civility Award, and he awards it to somebody who he therefore entrusts them to take the money, and that person gets to decide where it gets donated.

[00:13:34] Chalene Johnson: I mean, that says a lot about Dolly Parton. Oh, did I mention it’s $100 million? So she gets to direct it towards her own charitable causes. I need to look into that further, like where she donated it. I’m curious. B- because all those previous figures I just gave you, that was all her money. I just love that she was such an advocate for the LGBTQ+ community.

[00:13:55] Chalene Johnson: I love that she publicly supported same-sex marriage and transgender rights. I just think that’s so unusual. That, I think that’s the one piece that’s probably the most surprising because she never wanted to do things that people thought were political. And, and in my estimation, that’s common sense, that she just advocated for that community.

[00:14:22] Chalene Johnson: I love the way that she responded to things with an open mind and an open heart, and would take other people’s feelings and thoughts into consideration. So for example, she had this, I think it was like a ride at Dollywood, that had the n- the word or the name, oh, it was called the Dixie Stampede. That’s right.

[00:14:41] Chalene Johnson: And people I think this was, like, back in 2018. I’m not sure of the year, but it was, it was definitely before 2020. It was definitely before the riots. It was definitely before COVID. People didn’t like that she was using the term Dixie because it’s associated with Confederacy, with slavery, with segregation, right?

[00:15:02] Chalene Johnson: And so people were criticizing that it was called the Dixie Stampede, and she heard about that, and she’s like, “Well, we’re renaming it then. It’s gonna be called Dolly Parton’s Stampede.” And she basically afterwards said, “Listen, once you realize something is hurting people, you fix it.” Her quote was, “Don’t be a dumbass.”

[00:15:19] Chalene Johnson: Love that so much. So if you have a problem, by the way, with any of this, the fact… If you have any issues whatsoever with Dolly Parton, take up your complaint at www.donyoudare.com, okay? Because she is now a national treasury, and we’re not ever coming for Dolly. Do you understand? Like, she is a, she’s a protected species.

[00:15:47] Chalene Johnson: We’re not doing discourse. We are not hearing counterpoints. There will be none of the unpopular opinion here, but, like, I just know it’s about to happen because that’s just the way the internet works because people love to find something to complain about. There’s somewhere, someplace there is a lowlife just warming up their little thumbs, just dying to find a reason to disagree with the world that Dolly Parton is perfect, okay?

[00:16:15] Chalene Johnson: But not today. No, we’re not doing that. So if you have a problem with the fact that she was a Christian and was so beloved with the LGBTQ community, and you were just thinking about saying something there like, “Boy, that is really problematic” or, “Dolly blah, blah, blah,” no. Delete it. Delete your account. Go outside, go sit in the corner.

[00:16:41] Chalene Johnson: We’re not doing that. We’ve reviewed the evidence, and this woman has been cleared. Dolly Parton is now and forever under federal protection of this podcast, and collectively we all have to agree that if we ever hear anyone saying something horrible about her, we’re not gonna allow it. You come for Dolly, we come for you.

[00:17:02] Chalene Johnson: You have something negative to say about Dolly Parton, I will find you, and I will cut you. Ladies, the more research I do on collagen, the more I realize it just needs to be a must. We’ve gotta supplement with collagen, well, especially if you care about the texture and the tone of your skin, the way your hair grows, your nails.

[00:17:22] Chalene Johnson: And all of these things become, like, an issue once we’re over 40, and it just feels like it goes downhill from there, which is why it is so important that you supplement with collagen. It’s what the body uses for your joints, your muscles, your organs. It’s how you can support your gut health, your metabolism, your cardiovascular health, your immune system, and so much more.

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[00:18:25] Chalene Johnson: Check ’em out. Again, organifi.com/chalene. As I have mentioned on many previous occasions, social media is crazy. It’s a wackadoodle place to work, and it’s where I work. And I like to think that many of you actually listen, especially to the Wednesday and Friday episodes of The Chalene Show, so that you don’t have to tread into the scary waters of social media.

[00:18:49] Chalene Johnson: Well, somehow, in the last 24 hours, I got sucked into this crazy social media phenomenon, like the exact one that I have been trying to explain here on the show and also on my TikTok. So I woke up yesterday, and I’m getting all these notifications, and they’re from TikTok. The messages are coming in fast and furious.

[00:19:10] Chalene Johnson: Now this will happen on occasion if you get a viral video. Coincidentally, I recently had a video pop off on TikTok. It’s one where I’m kind of joking around, making fun of expensive items that I don’t think are worth the money. That video has over a million views right now, and when you cross about the 100,000 threshold, you start getting mean comments, okay?

[00:19:34] Chalene Johnson: That’s to be expected, but they’re gonna be mixed in with some nice comments. They’re gonna be mixed in with like, “Oh my gosh, you’re so funny,” blah, blah, blah. But I’m reading these comments as notifications on my phone, and the comments are aggressive. And they’re saying things like, “You better lawyer up,

[00:19:51] Chalene Johnson: You’re gonna go to jail. What a horrible human being you are. We’ve screen recorded everything that you’ve done. Stop deleting your videos, . Stop backtracking.” They’re saying all these crazy things, and then one of them said, “I hope you know you don’t deserve to live.” I’m like, “What is this?” I open up my TikTok to figure out where is this happening, what is going on?

[00:20:16] Chalene Johnson: Come to find out the comments were all under- A video I’d made talking about how it is so many of the conspiracies related to Patrick Clancy of the former husband of Lindsay Clancy, the trial that everybody is talking about. There are all these crazy theories and conspiracies, and things that people have said are factual, which when I went to explain what was going on in this trial to y’all and did my, a little bit of investigating, just by reading the transcripts, I found that so many of the things that I also thought were likely true, because I’d seen so many videos, that they weren’t true.

[00:21:00] Chalene Johnson: Anyways, I explain that to you in detail here. Then I made a TikTok video saying before I’d done my own looking, I too was just getting videos with these conspiracies, and if you get enough of them, you tend to go like, “Oh, wow, yeah, maybe he is kind of like Chris Watts. Maybe this guy is a,” whatever it is.

[00:21:21] Chalene Johnson: You, you just don’t know because you’re getting your facts from people who are not reporters, people who are… They’re simply creators, and a lot of them, frankly, their source is another creator whose source is another creator. So the whole point of my video was, like, I think we need to be careful here because this stuff isn’t even true.

[00:21:44] Chalene Johnson: I have never taken one side or the other in this trial. I’m not a true crime podcaster. I’m not a true crime content creator, but I do like to take a look at human behavior, and that’s what my video was about. My video was saying, like, “Yeah, let’s not do that, you guys.” But for some reason, TikTok, somebody created or stitched a video apparently saying that I have been accusing Patrick Clancy of having masterminded this idea to kill his wife and kill his children in an effort to be with his girlfriend, and that I’ve been spreading these horrible rumors on the internet, and that now since Patrick Clancy’s legal counsel apparently made a statement to CNN saying, “Hey, all these content creators that are coming up with these conspiracies, they need to watch themselves because we’re gonna bring some defamation lawsuits,” okay?

[00:22:43] Chalene Johnson: And when I heard that, I’m like, “I get it. Like, I think he should. It’s just horrible that people are just saying these horrible things about him.” And now here I am, and these people are saying these horrible th- things about me, and what’s so wild about it is what they’re saying is the exact opposite of what I was saying, but it’s also making the point of the point I was trying to make.

[00:23:04] Chalene Johnson: Are you following what I’m trying to say? I mean, I’ve made exactly two TikTok videos about the Lindsay Clancy trial. They’re both still up. I haven’t deleted anything. I haven’t backtracked on anything. In fact, I’m doubling down. Neither video is about whether Patrick or Lindsay is guilty. I’m like, while I’m making this content about how misinformation surrounding this trial, and really just about anything online, how it can take on a life of its own…

[00:23:34] Chalene Johnson: You know, if you think about the way the internet has been working in the last few years, something happens in the news, and then we all say, “Oh yeah? Well, it’s not true. Have you heard about this conspiracy?” “Oh yeah? Well, did you hear about this?” And then the internet, like, kind of divides, and there’s no convincing One side, once they’ve chosen a side, that they might have the wrong details.

[00:24:00] Chalene Johnson: When I wake up and I see this, I’m like, first thing I did was argue with a few people. Like, actually I didn’t even argue. I’m like, “What are you talking about?” As I’m reading these comments, and they’re just vile and so angry, but the weirdest part of all is like, these comments are under the video where I’m saying the exact opposite, so where are these coming from?

[00:24:18] Chalene Johnson: And they weren’t my followers at all. These weren’t people saying like, “Hey, I disagree with what you said.” It was like they were telling me what I said, and they were saying that they had screen recorded all of my videos. What are you talking about? Like, I felt like I was going crazy. Like, what are you…

[00:24:34] Chalene Johnson: I’m like, “Do they have me mistaken for somebody else?” And so then I was, like, really confused, because you wanna know, like, what is the source of this? Anyways, I just wanna say, I’m not a true crime podcaster, and this is more clarity for me that I would never want to be one in today’s day and age. Because while I do love doing deep dives, as you know, the part that I enjoy the most is looking at human behaviors and, and trying to point out, like, “Hey, have we looked at things from this perspective?”

[00:25:10] Chalene Johnson: I love turning a rock over and saying like, “Did we ever see this side?” That’s all, right? And I think true crime podcasters, man, they work way too hard. Whew. Whatever money they’re earning, they deserve it, because it takes a massive amount of time to watch and, and every single minute of a trial, become basically a, a legal analyst.

[00:25:29] Chalene Johnson: You end up needing to read court documents and verify sources and follow every single piece of evidence. Because if you don’t, one person’s gonna make a video, and I’ve seen this happen with true crime podcasters. People will say horrible things about just the podcaster and make up these crazy stories and come for them, and, dude.

[00:25:48] Chalene Johnson: First of all, I am not interested in fighting with the whole internet. Secondly, I’m also not interested in arguing with people who have no interest in hearing an alternate opinion. I don’t have the time to follow every piece of evidence and figure out every random person on TikTok, and that’s just not my area of expertise.

[00:26:09] Chalene Johnson: And frankly, a lot of these stories are really dark when it comes to the crime stuff. Like, yes, I love doing the occasional deep dive on Patreon, but there’s been a couple of stories where those of you on Patreon are like, “Okay, that was unbelievable, fascinating. Do more.” And then I get a nice percentage of you that are like, “Nope, too dark.

[00:26:28] Chalene Johnson: That’s not why I hang out with you. The internet is dark enough.” Personally, I enjoy listening to true crime podcasts and watching- more so watching them, like, on Netflix or YouTube, whatever. But for me, the piece I’m always more interested in is, like, the human behavior surrounding it. Why do we believe what we believe?

[00:26:49] Chalene Johnson: How is social media influencing us? How is it tricking us? How is it deceiving us? Why does it make us immediately pick sides? Why do we become so emotionally invested in something that has nothing to do with us? It’s so weird. And how does… Like, please tell me if I’m wrong. Everyone I know is talking about this trial, and that- It’s happened with some recent trials, like the Johnny Depp trial.

[00:27:16] Chalene Johnson: I understand why that one everyone was talking about it. The Karen Read trial. And when I say everyone, not everyone, but people who are up on pop culture. Like, there is a fascination with some of these things. There is no unbiased jury, that’s for sure. When it comes to social media, people immediately pick a side.

[00:27:34] Chalene Johnson: There’s no gray thinking. You have to pick a team, and in this case, you’re either Team Lindsay, which is so weird to me, and I’m not gonna get into it, or Team Patrick, which is also… Like, it’s all just weird. It’s like prosecution or defense, and apparently, I don’t know, the, the idea of waiting to hear all the evidence or understanding that the truth is always somewhere in the middle and that…

[00:27:57] Chalene Johnson: I mean, think about the things that people are up in arms over, like- He said it happened at 5:04 and it happened at 5:06. It’s like, c- can you really pinpoint every moment, every second and remember? Okay, did you send that email from your phone? Was it from your laptop? Was it from your iPad? Was that at 5:04 or 5:02?

[00:28:19] Chalene Johnson: Was it green beans or cucumbers? Did you set your phone down over here or did you place it on the counter? I mean, Brett and I will have conversations sometimes about something that happened just an hour earlier and I can’t remember. He’s like, “Did you feed Penelope?” I’m like, “I think I did.” You know what I mean?

[00:28:36] Chalene Johnson: And to be, have my guilt or innocence or my whole life be framed around that, I just can’t imagine. And now it’s just strange the way people are attacking each other. Whether you love her or hate her, it’s almost like it’s the Candace Owen effect where people are waiting for a conspiracy and then depending upon the charm, the intelligence, the education, the platform of the person who’s suggesting that things didn’t happen the way we think they did, you go, “Huh.”

[00:29:14] Chalene Johnson: And we’ve already been conditioned not to trust law enforcement, not to trust the government, the FDA, like everyone’s out to get us. Everyone’s trying to make money. Everybody’s got an ulterior motive. There’s all these covers up. So we’re already like a little suspicious. We don’t trust anybody so we start to end up needing to trust each other and turning to social media.

[00:29:35] Chalene Johnson: But then there are characters, if you will, who are on social media and can we trust them? I don’t know what it is, but it creates this crazy division. It almost feels like politics. You know in politics like you are either a Republican or you’re a Democrat. W- that doesn’t even make sense. How could everybody on the planet be one or the other?

[00:29:57] Chalene Johnson: Doesn’t it just defy common sense to assume that some people just use common sense and they’re like, “I do- I don’t wanna affiliate with either party.” But we don’t allow that. It’s like you must choose a side so therefore, like think about the Charlie Kirk situation, you either think it was this huge crazy conspiracy or you don’t But you have to be all in or all out.

[00:30:23] Chalene Johnson: And if you’re on the opposing side, then the radical weirdos on the internet, like that have nothing better to do, search for content that disagrees or is on the opposite side of where they stand, and then they attack those people. It’s weird. It’s strange. This is yesterday. I’m trying to figure out, like, okay, where did this come from?

[00:30:45] Chalene Johnson: Who made this video about me? Or like… Because also people were saying in the search bar that I was Lisa Rinna. And then other people were saying like, “No, no, you were featured in a story with Lisa Rinna.” And then other people were saying like, “No, a content creator made a video and stitched your videos, and they said you had deleted all your videos.”

[00:31:05] Chalene Johnson: And then another person said, “No, I watched all your videos.” I’m like, what are we talking about? So anyways, then another creator sent to me a video from a woman who’s a nurse. She’s literally an advocate for women who experience postpartum mental illness, ’cause she had experienced it herself. And so she’s made quite a few videos, informative videos, about postpartum depression, about postpartum psychosis.

[00:31:31] Chalene Johnson: She woke up to people attacking her, making these horrible accusations and saying that she should not want to live, if you know what I’m trying to say, read between the lines, because of the videos that she had made. Are you ready for this? Supporting mothers who kill their children. And this woman is, like, crying, and she’s, like, incredibly distraught.

[00:31:57] Chalene Johnson: She shows all these horrible messages that she’s getting from people who were attacking her for saying something she never said And she’s like, “What is going on?” Eventually she also figured it out that another creator had done that, just taken her content and rather than letting his audience hear her whole video, he explained what she supposedly said, except his characterization was not accurate.

[00:32:25] Chalene Johnson: And basically he, I don’t know if he told his followers to do this, but they took it as their marching orders to go and hunt this woman down and try to destroy her. And it, it’s just really sad. I mean, she was absolutely devastated. And she made this like really sad video, and she was crying. And I’ll tell you what, as an Enneagram 8, I just got pissed.

[00:32:48] Chalene Johnson: I wasn’t scared. It didn’t ruin my morning. I was trying to figure out where this had stemmed from. But if anything else, it just kinda pissed me off because to me it feels like, okay, you’re lying. And then I started arguing back and forth with people, and I’m like, “Wait, what am I doing? What am I actually doing?”

[00:33:07] Chalene Johnson: Because what I’m arguing back and forth about, or I should say to argue back and forth in a case like this or in a case of politics or in the case of the Charlie Kirk/Candace Owen debates or whatever it is, whatever the debate, whatever the topic where there could be more than one side, people choose sides and they stay there.

[00:33:33] Chalene Johnson: And then once they’ve made up their mind and they have a belief, the algorithm serves them more of that same content, and you become, whether you realize it or no, you’re not, you are stuck in an echo chamber And it’s this giant circle. Then suddenly you’ve seen 10 videos repeating the very same claim.

[00:33:58] Chalene Johnson: Even though it’s not supported, you’re hearing this claim from people who are very credible, and it feels like, okay, I’ve just watched 10 sources, and your brain forgets that these claims are not necessarily supported. And so then your brain starts to go like, “Okay, this is the truth.” And we wanna protect ourselves.

[00:34:18] Chalene Johnson: We wanna be with a group of people who think like us. And so it manufactures a certainty. And the algorithms, they don’t have an obligation to show you the strongest evidence. They, the algorithms, are incentivized to show you the thing that makes you keep watching. And outrage does that. Conspiracies do that.

[00:34:37] Chalene Johnson: Fear does that. Hearing more evidence that you’re right makes us feel safe. It just does. And then there’s the importance and the significance that being right or figuring something out or having relevance, because you’re solving a case. So it’s Mackenzie in Portland, Michigan, and she’s onto the case, and she has nothing better to do and has no real social media following or anything else going on in her life, and she’s digging into this case, and she’s inventing theories, and she’s inventing facts where some are missing, and people are like, “Holy , you solved the case.”

[00:35:17] Chalene Johnson: And it just becomes addictive, I think, for some of these people, and it’s their full-time job. It’s the mob, as my friend Warren describes it. It’s the mob. But the scariest thing about working on these streets over here is being a social media hooker over here, for me, is they call it epistemic closure.

[00:35:39] Chalene Johnson: Epistemic closure is when people’s beliefs are so set in stone that they basically seal themselves off from any information that might challenge their beliefs. They might listen. They maybe will ask a question, but it’s mainly so that they can debate. It’s mainly so they have an opportunity to share with you their conclusions.

[00:36:02] Chalene Johnson: But any new information is just gonna get rejected, ’cause they’re gonna say, “Oh yeah, well, the source is biased,” or they’re gonna reinterpret it into a way that fits with what they already believe. I mean, some of the things I’ve heard people reinterpret into the way they believe this Clancy case has happened is so cockamamie, I’m like, what are we actually doing?

[00:36:27] Chalene Johnson: They just dismiss anything that might contradict their beliefs. Again, I’m not just talking about the Clancy case. Anyone who you know who is, like, so set in their beliefs, if you bring them an alternate way of thinking about something, why is it they just double down and they don’t wanna hear it? They wanna say, “Oh, that’s a lie.

[00:36:50] Chalene Johnson: That’s not true. That’s what people say, but that’s false.” They, they don’t even want to ask where the source is from. And I think the reason why, and this is, like, the bigger conversation I wanted to have, is that we all have to be very careful because this is becoming much more prevalent in social media.

[00:37:10] Chalene Johnson: And what’s the motive? Well, keeping us on the platforms, A, but it really divides us, and it creates these very circular, very frustrating, very exhausting, very divisive conversations. You have family members who you’re not even gonna talk to them about certain subjects or people’s rights or their beliefs because they refuse to open their minds or open their hearts or even have a, a conversation.

[00:37:40] Chalene Johnson: They think there’s only one set of facts. They will do whatever they need to to protect their conclusion. I personally have found those people, you cannot change their minds. All you will do is create a bigger division between you. And I know some of you will disagree, and you think, like, you know, you’ve gotta stand your ground, and you can’t back down, and you need to fight, and you need…

[00:38:03] Chalene Johnson: If someone says… Like, you need to battle, you need to argue, you need to tell them they’re wrong. I don’t know if it’s ’cause I’m 57 years old, but I have found that nothing changes a person’s mind when they feel like they have to protect their territory. You know the kind of person I’m talking about. Like, some of the people with this Clancy case, you could say, “What evidence would get you to reconsider?”

[00:38:29] Chalene Johnson: Just pick a topic that you have… You land on the opposite side of the fence than someone in your family. You could say to them, “What would change your mind?” And you and I both know the answer is nothing. Nothing would change their mind. And that should tell you that you aren’t having a productive exchange.

[00:38:50] Chalene Johnson: People who are in that state of mind, it’s not just simply disagreement or stubbornness. Someone can strongly disagree while still understanding your argument and still remaining open and kinda, like, willing to change their mind or change their position. Closure is when a person is, or people or a group- Have, create this, like, wall around them so that they’re not even letting any opposing information in.

[00:39:19] Chalene Johnson: It’s like they truly believe it. You know what I’m talking about. I had the opportunity to sit down with probably one of the most well-known over 45 beauty influencers, and I said, “Girl, don’t try to sell me anything. Just tell me, like, what’s the one thing that makes the biggest difference in women’s skin?”

[00:39:39] Chalene Johnson: And she’s like, “An SPF.” And I, I know there’s, like, lots of controversy, and some people are like, “Oh, don’t wear an SPF.” She’s like, “Yeah, don’t wear an SPF if you want to look older.” She’s like, “It’s just a game changer, and you can tell the difference.” So I started wearing a full-body SPF, even on the days when it’s kind of cloudy.

[00:39:56] Chalene Johnson: And I’m here in Miami, so there’s a lot of sun. I need to find an SPF that felt good on my skin, that wasn’t sticky, that didn’t have all the, you know, nasty ingredients. It wasn’t tested on animals. So I went with OneSkin. OneSkin’s full body, their full-body SPF is amazing. But you really get the one-two combo when you combine it with the OneSkin body lotion.

[00:40:20] Chalene Johnson: Their body lotion has peptides in it. It’s literally like putting vitamins topically on your skin. It helps with collagen production. It locks in the moisture. Then you put the SPF on top of it, and it doesn’t feel like your typical SPF. Like, my skin looks so much better, so much more hydrated, and I know I’m protecting it.

[00:40:41] Chalene Johnson: So I’m happy to tell you that OneSkin is now a sponsor of the show. Why? Because I’m like, “Girl, you need a discount on this stuff, too.” So all you do is go to chalene.com/lotion. They’ve got great skincare. Like, I love their eye care. I love their SPF for your face as well, if you didn’t want to use the full body, ’cause they have a face SPF that’s tinted that’s…

[00:41:03] Chalene Johnson: It’s delicious. Check ’em out. Go to chalene.com/lotion because we cannot have you getting additional steps in and risking damaging your skin. We can’t have you looking like a piece of beef jerky. No. I need your skin young and supple and well-hydrated. Go to chalene.com/lotion. All right, back to the show. Okay, all that to say there have been updates in the Clancy trial, and I’m not going to avoid talking about the trial.

[00:41:33] Chalene Johnson: But I did make a mistake, I think, in the episode that I did where I… Maybe I didn’t. Maybe I didn’t make a mistake. I don’t know. I’m open-minded. Do you hear how I’m picking a place of grayness to describe my own episode where I went through the most popular and common statements about Patrick Clancy, and I did my best to disprove them just based on the testimony?

[00:42:01] Chalene Johnson: I don’t have all of the investigative reports. I just wanted to demonstrate how easy it is to be convinced that something is a source simply because you’ve seen it 10 times. Okay? That was my goal. What I wasn’t trying to do is change anybody’s mind, and I think the mistake that I made was I may have framed it in that way.

[00:42:24] Chalene Johnson: I just want to provide a little useful reminder to everyone that we cannot reason someone out of a belief that they’ve already made impossible to question. Once you recognize that a conversation isn’t going anywhere, that a mind is closed, that the person that you’re talking to, you’re debating with, that you’re trying to explain yourself to, once you realize, because you will, because you’ve got self-awareness, obviously, that’s why you listen to The Shalene Show, but once you realize that this isn’t a conversation, this is not an exchange of ideas, this is a loop.

[00:43:01] Chalene Johnson: Once you realize you’re, like, in a loop You can keep offering more context. You can offer better reasoning, another example. You can, you know, hope you get, like, oh, the perfect combination of words or the perfect example or whatever to make them understand. But just remember that you won’t ever change their mind, that you should probably understand it from that perspective because they aren’t willing to see it differently.

[00:43:25] Chalene Johnson: At that point, you should probably save yourself because it’s just gonna drain you, and you’re not responsible for reasoning with people who are just emotionally committed to being close-minded. Say what is true, say it clearly, and then let them misunderstand it. Let them go about their day or their lives.

[00:43:48] Chalene Johnson: You have permission to do that, and I know there are some of you out there who are complete warriors, and you’re gonna do everything in your power to fight the good fight and protect the cause or whatever you believe. And yeah, I’m actually glad that we’ve got warriors out there, but for me, I’m at a stage and an age where it’s like, “No, I’m gonna protect my peace.”

[00:44:08] Chalene Johnson: So I literally… To wrap this up, today when I was looking at all these comments on my TikTok… And by the way, I have not deleted them. I haven’t deleted anything. You can go and still see the comments if you wanna see them. They’re so crazy. But if you do, please do me a favor and don’t argue back with any of them.

[00:44:27] Chalene Johnson: Let’s have a code phrase so that I know you came from the Chalene Show and we’re kind of all winking at each other, but we’re intentionally not stirring the pot. So let’s say… Okay, Penelope is sleeping here at my feet. So let’s just say, “Isn’t Penelope so precious?” Or just give Penelope, my beautiful pit bull, give her a little compliment if you wanna leave a comment under that video so I know that you were there just reading the crazy troll comments.

[00:44:54] Chalene Johnson: Speaking of division, I want to bring this to your attention because I’m seeing a lot of this kind of exact phenomenon happening in women’s healthcare around hormone therapy, which seems like something that could unite all of us. But it really bothers me that I’m seeing so many female doctors and experts who’ve spent decades trying to get menopause to be taken seriously, and, like, we’re finally getting more research, and we’re finally having this conversation, and it can go too far, where it feels like everyone’s talking about menopause and everybody’s a menopause expert.

[00:45:36] Chalene Johnson: But there are those out there who are experts, and we’re finally getting this research, and we’re finally hearing people talking about it. We’re finally getting more treatment options, and we’re finally finding places, like new companies like Midi, that are being established to take care of our needs and to advocate for women.

[00:45:52] Chalene Johnson: And somehow- This has managed to turn into another one of those internet fights, another internet team sport. So now it’s like, wait, are you pro HRT or anti HRT? Do you believe that every woman should be offered hormones or do you think that they’re being over-prescribed? Do you think that menopause is real, or that we’re using it to, as a catch-all phrase for anything that goes wrong after, you know, perimenopause?

[00:46:25] Chalene Johnson: It’s so strange. It’s like, um, people have these strong belief systems over menopause all of a sudden. And remember, those belief systems where you’re not changing somebody’s mind despite what information or research you’re sharing with them. And especially for those who are perhaps just internet warriors, they’re not actually doctors or researchers, so they’re holding onto something they read from somebody somewhere, and now they, it doesn’t matter what you present them with.

[00:46:56] Chalene Johnson: It doesn’t matter what research, it doesn’t matter what symptom, it doesn’t matter what evidence. They’re just not gonna change their mind. And we’re seeing this division over what delivery method is best. Like, I see women fighting over pellets as if it’s a moral failing if you’re doing testoster- if your choice is to do testosterone pellets.

[00:47:17] Chalene Johnson: Like, simmer down. People can do whatever the they want with their own medical choices. And it’s so weird to see women just arguing and, and belittling each other and making stitched TikToks over how wrong s- one person is and which delivery method is the best and which dose. And yeah, there’s a lot of information out there, and there’s a lot of different formulations, and every single one of us is different But instead of saying, “Okay, yeah, this is evolving science, and we’re learning more every day,” and, you know, reasonable experts might interpret this differently.

[00:47:55] Chalene Johnson: Or instead of saying like, you know, women are individuals, and we all might have a different reason for our approach. Like, I know the delivery method that I used for years is not ideal, and I’m not even gonna say it because not, I don’t wanna give anyone the wrong impression. But I just wanna share this.

[00:48:14] Chalene Johnson: Based on my own research, there are two different forms of HRT, which I know there’s a researched, evidenced, better form of delivery that I could be using, but that better form of delivery doesn’t work with my lifestyle, so it’s not better for me. All of these things have to be individual. But for whatever reason, these teams have formed, and they’re…

[00:48:38] Chalene Johnson: I’m not gonna even name the doctors, but there’s this division that’s happened with followers being team this doctor or team that doctor. And the doctors who are at the head of these teams, I don’t think they all tried to appoint themselves, but some of them act like high school girls, and mean girls, and name the other doctors, and call them out, and attack them personally, and I just don’t think you need to do that, and I, I think that hurts someone’s credibility.

[00:49:14] Chalene Johnson: You look jealous, to be honest, when somebody’s calling out another person by name, and then all their followers jump into the comment section, and then suddenly women aren’t discussing evidence anymore. They’re defending people, and they’re making horrible false allegations, defaming, making defamatory statements about these doctors whose…

[00:49:35] Chalene Johnson: I mean, come on. Can we all just agree that the conversations are fantastic to have? And yes, they can be nuanced, and no, we don’t have to make- assumptions about someone because they’re earning a lot of money. Thank God, thank God that some of these women in the menopausal space are killing it, and other doctors are jealous, in my opinion, of their success.

[00:49:59] Chalene Johnson: And so they’re attacking them, and they’re attacking their credibility. Nonetheless, I do also think, on the flip side of that coin, that sometimes information gets stated in maybe a simplistic way of interpreting research, and then creators take that little bit of information and kind of, just like the story I mentioned previously with regard to the Lindsey Clancy case, menopausal creators or perimenopausal or like women who create content around our health will take that little bit of information, and they’ll twist it.

[00:50:34] Chalene Johnson: And then it gets… What’s the word? It gets credited to a particular doctor, and then people are like, “Oh, well, we all got it from so-and-so.” This person is spreading false information or misinformation. And if you watch, most of the top experts, especially if they are credible, will say, “Hey, we got this wrong.”

[00:50:56] Chalene Johnson: And we do in science. Isn’t it weird to say that science isn’t a science? I mean, it is, but science doesn’t mean 100% certainty in just about anything, as far as I can tell. If you think about the impact that the Women’s Health Initiative had and the impact it had on research and the impact it had on women’s healthcare for over 20 years, and many of the most credible doctors have said, “Yeah, we, we didn’t get it right.”

[00:51:28] Chalene Johnson: The studies were flawed. Were the doctors who were prescribing according to the study wrong? Or no, we now know the studies were flawed. So I just don’t think it serves any purpose in pledging allegiance to one doctor and rejecting everything that another doctor says. I have my favorites, but I still listen to those who are on the opposite side of the coin, ’cause I, I still want to understand the nuances, and I still wanna interpret that from my own perspective.

[00:51:59] Chalene Johnson: And by the way, I’ve had, I’d say, probably six different physicians or clinicians who have been in charge of my menopausal care since… Actually, if I wanna include perimenopause, yeah, probably, like, probably seven different doctors and clinicians. And I will say, and I’ve, I’ve had three different clinicians even at Midi.

[00:52:21] Chalene Johnson: And what people forget is each one of them is an individual, which means they have their own interpretation of the science. They have their own experience. They have their own clinical experience, where they, they might know how research is being interpreted, but from their own experience treating, you know, hundreds of patients, maybe thousands, they can say, “But here’s what I’ve found.”

[00:52:45] Chalene Johnson: And so there’s never one, one 100% right way or the only way to look at anything. So I, I just think that we have to remember that humans have biases. Clinical preferences sometimes do get injected in the way that your clinician is suggesting what it is you do or what, what they suggest you not do or stop doing.

[00:53:07] Chalene Johnson: They have their own personal experiences, their own way of interpreting research, and not all physicians share the same opinion. That doesn’t automatically make one dishonest. Medicine is practiced by humans. Research evolves. Studies have limitations. Doctors have a different approach. And so there are still lots of questions that we don’t have perfectly settled answers to.

[00:53:34] Chalene Johnson: And so, you know, I just think we have to remember that. And I just wanna remind you not to take a black-and-white stance around anything related to medicine. And I apologize now if I have, in the past, suggested that there is a black-and-white way of thinking about anything. And I also wanna say, clearly, for the record, I don’t think that every woman has to be on HRT It’s right for me.

[00:54:04] Chalene Johnson: But I think the controversy and the strange fighting between women over, like, literally picking a side over the, the delivery form that you’ve chosen, whether you’ve… You know, you’re a bad person because you’ve decided to do, I don’t know, HRT estrogen cream versus a troche versus a patch. Like, it’s weird.

[00:54:29] Chalene Johnson: Simmer down. Everyone can make their own choices. This is, this is strange. So my big sister advice to you is stop picking sides and don’t outsource your thinking to whoever you think has the bigger platform or is a bigger internet bully ’cause that’s a little bit of what’s going on, in my opinion. Don’t confuse confidence with certainty.

[00:54:53] Chalene Johnson: Just because somebody is being accused of making money because they sell supplements, so? Who cares? Thank God, right? Like, I personally would think that I have a better chance of getting a better quality supplement if a doctor’s name is on it because the doctor actually, uh, is a doctor. Hello. I think that’s…

[00:55:15] Chalene Johnson: You’ve got a better chance of getting something that is upheld to their standards as a medical professional versus, you know, some supplement that’s named after a dumb old influencer like me. Anyways, I just think there’s much more useful ways that we can have these conversations aside from deciding what team that we’re on.

[00:55:34] Chalene Johnson: We’re all on the same team. Stop it. Okay, let’s end with something a little lighter. Have you heard about scrunch butt leggings? I know you have if you listen to my show because I’m a fan. I like the scrunch butt. Actually, what I like are the leggings and the shorts that have kind of a rounded seam at the top or by where your butt cheeks are.

[00:55:58] Chalene Johnson: So it like- You know how certain jeans are very unflattering because the shape of the pockets? Well, the same is true of the seams on the back of leggings and shorts. So if it’s a straight across the back seam, like the ones Lulu and Alo make, in my professional opinion, I think those make your butt look flatter than a seam that kind of has like an M shape.

[00:56:20] Chalene Johnson: You know what I mean? Where it, like, dips down at the middle of your booty and then, you know, kind of rounds up in an arch over both booty ch- it looks like you’ve got more of a booty than you actually have. By the way, update for those of you, update on, on my booty, I noticed my butt … Ugh. I don’t, I don’t have time to get into all of this.

[00:56:40] Chalene Johnson: I’ll save it for next Wednesday. But I’ve been working on my butt, and I, I figured out what was going on with my- my butt started flattening out over the last, I’d say, like five, four, five months, and there is a specific reason why, y’all, and we figured it out, and I’ll talk about that next Wednesday. Don’t let me forget.

[00:57:01] Chalene Johnson: Kristen, please, don’t let me forget. Okay, back to the leggings. Anyways, I really like those leggings. I think they’re very flattering, and there is a lawsuit now. There’s a legging lawsuit. A company called Vitality has formally sued quite a few other companies because they claim they have the, I don’t know, the trademark or…

[00:57:24] Chalene Johnson: There, you can’t even trademark clothing. You know that, right? So I don’t even understand what this lawsuit is all about, but the court records have said that this company Vitality is suing. Have you ever heard of Buffbunny clothing? So she’s a fitness creator, entrepreneur, really quite phenomenal, and she has this huge apparel com- I shouldn’t say huge.

[00:57:45] Chalene Johnson: She has a, a s- a very successful apparel company, and they make fitness apparel, and she also makes, you know, the rounded scrunch butt style of leggings. Everybody does. I think the only companies anymore that only do the straight across the back seam are Lulu and Alo, and everybody else has, has realized, like, “Oh, this is not flattering.

[00:58:08] Chalene Johnson: Let’s do something that looks a little bit more like the curves,” right? And so anyways, they’re suing Buffbunny and a few other companies for trademark infringement. I do not know how they’re going to uphold this, but Buffbunny recently addressed it. Other brands I’ve heard have been put out of business because of this.

[00:58:28] Chalene Johnson: All I know I’m not gonna lie, I buy all the dupes. I do have a couple of Buff Bunnies, and I think they’re great, but I, I go through leggings pretty quickly, and I’m particular about the colors. I end up staining them. I’m such a messy ho that I, I end up buying a lot of leggings. My shorts seem to be, to do okay.

[00:58:53] Chalene Johnson: I guess I don’t get stains on my shorts. But I’ll link my, my favorites are on my ShopMy page. By the way, I don’t know if you know that, but, like, that’s where I put all, all of my favorite finds, and my Fashion Hova articles of clothing, and all of the dresses that you can find in the Instagram post that I did dedicated to Dolly Parton.

[00:59:14] Chalene Johnson: All… Everything I now put on ShopMy. It’s just easier, and some of the things I do get an affiliate commission for because that’s how ShopMy works. But some of the outfit- some of the things I have listed on there, I, I’m not listing them for an affiliate commission. Like, some of them, it’s like a 50 cent commission.

[00:59:30] Chalene Johnson: Trust me, I do not care. But it’s just easier for me to put, like, everything in one spot instead of having to answer every single time someone’s like, “Hey, can you send me the link for such and such?” And then I’ve gotta go back into my orders, and then I gotta go find that link, and then I gotta go copy and paste.

[00:59:44] Chalene Johnson: I ain’t, I ain’t doing that. Sorry. So you can find any… If I’ve worn it and it’s still available, you’re gonna find it on my ShopMy. If I’ve worn it in social media and you don’t see it on my ShopMy, I guarantee it’s because it’s sold out because I had it in my closet for five years, and they don’t make it anymore.

[01:00:03] Chalene Johnson: I promise you, if it’s not on ShopMy, that’s the, that’s the reason why, because we have one person on my team, Maggie. Her sole mission is to find that item or find something similar if I’ve worn it, and if she can’t find it, then, then it’s not on ShopMy because they don’t make it anymore. I’ve a lot of personal updates coming for those of you who are on Patreon.

[01:00:24] Chalene Johnson: That’s my private podcast. We would love to have you join us. You can do so by going to chalene.com/more. I had a qu- a, a very, very interesting reading with a pet psychic who had a telepathic, apparently, communication session between my dog Penelope and myself. It was an hour long. It was quite interesting.

[01:00:50] Chalene Johnson: Like, I’m… Some things… Well, no, I’m not gonna give away the punchline, but I will tell you this. One particular thing in… that happened that I learned during the session blew my mind, and I’m, like, so grateful that I learned this from the pet psychic ’cause it really had a major impact on Penelope, and it will.

[01:01:13] Chalene Johnson: And Penelope has surgery on Monday. She’s doing a full, or a single side full mastectomy. What do they call that? They call it a mammary chain mastectomy. Unilateral mammary chain mastectomy, which means they’re taking all of the nipples on one side of her little baby belly. Anyways, I’ll detail all that in- if I can just ask for you to keep her in your prayers, our little sweetheart.

[01:01:38] Chalene Johnson: That’s just one of the things I’m gonna talk about. I’ve got, I’ve got some updates for you on the penthouse. I just wanna thank all of you for hanging out here with me, with us. You’re the coolest, and I love you. I mean it. I’ll talk to you soon.