Cameron Diaz’s Baby, Tony Robbins’ AI Goes Rogue & Avocado Oil Lies

[00:00:00] Chalene Johnson : Okay, so Cameron Diaz became a mother again at age 53. As you might imagine, the internet has opinions. I have opinions, and I’m gonna share a few of them. But first, I wanna kinda clear up the clickbait of that headline, which I kinda fell for it. I’m sure almost everyone does, because it’s unusual. I mean, when you hear something like that, if you’re not paying close attention to the semantics of it all, your first thought is gonna be, like, three things.

[00:00:29] Chalene Johnson : Like, wait, female, baby, her age. Then you’re gonna go, “53 gave birth?” And then you have to think to yourself, like, wait a second, that headline didn’t say she gave birth, and that was intentional. The story is that she’s a new mom again, and that can mean a lot of different things. None of which, by the way, has been confirmed.

[00:00:52] Chalene Johnson : I just wanna say, as far as I know at the time that we’re recording this, she hasn’t confirmed whether it was through surrogacy or adoption or that she gave birth herself. I don’t think we have any sightings of her pregnant, so that’s probably out of the question. But simply stated, Cameron and her husband, Benji, announced that they were welcoming their third child, a baby boy.

[00:01:18] Chalene Johnson : Okay, that’s basically all that they said. They do have two other children. They’ve been very private about the circumstances around how they have conceived this third child. I believe they have confirmed that the previous two were through surrogacy, but they’ve been very private about their kids. They have not spoken specifically about this child and how the child was conceived.

[00:01:48] Chalene Johnson : Again, a lot of outlets have kind of just made the assumption that it was via surrogacy. But almost immediately, the conversation was less about the baby, and I’m sure as you can imagine, it is all about Cameron’s age and- I’m gonna be honest and say at first my thoughts were probably a little judgy, only because I’m thinking about myself.

[00:02:15] Chalene Johnson : I’m thinking I would not have wanted a new baby at age 53. Like, I was just, like, just entering menopause, just getting my kids out of the house, just thinking about traveling and having a house that was quiet and all to myself and not having to worry about so many other people. That was just my thought, kind of self-centered.

[00:02:39] Chalene Johnson : But it’s 1,000% her choice. I don’t think we can deny the fact that if she were a dude, it’s not even a story. In fact, if it’s a guy, 63 isn’t a story. 73 isn’t even a story. It’s not until a very well-known actor is in his 80s and a new father again that it’s kind of a snarky story, but there’s also kind of, like, a lot of elbowing to the ribs like, “What a player.

[00:03:09] Chalene Johnson : Look at this guy.” And it’s crazy that there are people who are saying that 53 is irresponsible, that it’s selfish for a woman to have a child at age 53. That’s what people are saying, that it, it’s selfish to bring a child into this world. The argument basically being that Cameron will be around age 71 when the baby graduates from high school.

[00:03:33] Chalene Johnson : Now, 71, when I think about, like, what my grandparents seemed like at 71, that’s a lot different than quite a few of my girlfriends who are still in bikinis At 70 look amazing, have better mobility, better flexibility, better lives, better financial situations, better energy than a lot of women I know who are in their 50s.

[00:04:00] Chalene Johnson : Again, I think we get caught up in these stories and narratives around age that are not necessarily true. But as I was preparing for this story and looking a little deeper, I wanted to know, people can say, “Oh, that’s really selfish to have a chi- like, your kids have to think about your mortality. You’re not gonna be around as long.”

[00:04:22] Chalene Johnson : So I actually did some research to find out what do people who are raised by older parents, what is their experience? It does seem that most of it is really positive. A lot of people say that the environment that they grew up in was much more stable. That makes sense. Dude, I think about how little we had figured out, how little financial stability we had when we first, you know, when the kids were really young.

[00:04:48] Chalene Johnson : I mean, obviously we had a degree of success by the time they were, I don’t know, middle school or whatever, but most people said that older parents are calmer, they’re more patient, they’re more financially established, they’re more emotionally mature. I know I was… I’m not saying I want a baby at age 53 or age 57 or, you know, but I probably was better equipped, actually probably had bet- A better ability to provide.

[00:05:19] Chalene Johnson : If I think about, like, how my life looked when I did have kids, when I gave birth initially in my 20s versus in my 50s, dude, night and day. I mean, there’s so many things I wish I could go back and redo, and, and I think about how distracted, overwhelmed, lack of resources, all those things, right? But obviously there’s some downsides with it, and I think a lot of the people in the studies that were questioned about what it was like having older parents said that they did spend a considerable amount of time thinking about their parents’ mortality.

[00:05:59] Chalene Johnson : Then, of course, there are those people who are like, they end up becoming caretakers for their parents much younger. But that’s a moot point when it comes to Cameron and her husband. Her kids aren’t gonna have to be her caretakers. Are you kidding me? They can provide for themselves. They’ll, they will have the best care for, well, I guess they’re seniors now, right?

[00:06:22] Chalene Johnson : Are you a senior once you’re 50? No, once you’re 55. Is that when you become a senior? All I know is I got a piece of mail the other day that asked me something about getting a discount for being a senior, and I’m like, “How dare you? You just lost my business.” I don’t know why there’s, like, this negative association with that term seniors, right?

[00:06:41] Chalene Johnson : But anyways, trust me, that’s not an issue. They’re gonna obviously be able to care for themselves or, I should say, hire care. And when it comes to even, like, s- some people are saying, “Oh, she just won’t have the same energy.” Compared to who? Brett and I were on a walk this afternoon, and I walked past the park.

[00:07:00] Chalene Johnson : There was a bunch of families there, and I’m like, eh, you know, listen, I’m not trying to judge, but I’m gonna judge for a moment and say I saw a bunch of parents who were very overweight, not playing with their kids, sitting on park benches looking at their phones. That looked low energy to me. How does somebody get to decide based on age whether someone’s gonna have energy or not, especially when it’s a celebrity and they’ve had access to the best medical care, that their job is to stay active and fit and healthy?

[00:07:32] Chalene Johnson : So, mm, I don’t think that’s an issue. And also, the part about having a newborn that’s the worst part is the lack of sleep. Well, you don’t have to deal with that either if you can afford nannies, a team of nannies, right? So I just think more power to her. I think this is awesome. I’m not saying that age doesn’t matter at all.

[00:07:49] Chalene Johnson : Of course it does. But having a baby at age 53 just means that you are going to be older when they’re having their milestones. Age alone does not determine whether someone is gonna be a responsible parent. I mean, if anything, I think the likelihood that they’re gonna be more responsible is, is probably there.

[00:08:10] Chalene Johnson : So a child born to parents in their 50s might also be born to parents who desperately wanted that baby, who are financially secure, who are emotionally mature. And Cameron isn’t parenting alone. Hello, her husband is age 47. It’s just interesting. I just think it is such a double standard that we have this too old because it’s a woman and that we would never be having these conversations if it was a dude.

[00:08:42] Chalene Johnson : I just think there’s a million more meaningful things that we can look at that really do impact whether someone is a great parent I don’t think the story really is 53, too old to become a mother. I think the story is why do we immediately question 53 if it’s a woman, but it’s not even an issue if it’s a man?

[00:09:07] Chalene Johnson : The avocado oil fraud, let’s talk about this. So if you’re one of those people who pays extra because products are made with avocado oil, chips, mayonnaise, certain salad dressings… Like, I see the word avocado on a label, and for me, I just think to myself, “Oh, cool,” like, “avocado s- oil spray. This is gonna be better for my body.”

[00:09:30] Chalene Johnson : Well, I have to report that it turns out maybe it might not be true. UC Davis just did this massive study, and they bought 54 different products off of the shelves online, at the stores, et cetera, that were all labeled as being pure avocado oil. So they bought chips, they bought mayo, they bought dressings, they bought some of the dips, et cetera, and they tested them.

[00:09:57] Chalene Johnson : And are you ready for this? 48 out of 54 failed Stated another way, only six out of 54 were actually what they said they were. 93% of the chips failed. 71% of the mayonnaise failed. And salad dressings, oh, God, 100% failed. Every single one. Y’all, I’m telling you, this is why when we were in Europe, I just, I felt like I was living my 600-pound life.

[00:10:33] Chalene Johnson : I’m like, uh, so much bread, so much oil, so much food. Just decadence. I thought, “Okay, who cares? Just enjoy yourself.” And when we got home I thought for sure I was gonna get on the scale and be desperately depressed. I got on the scale, I’m like, “What? I’m the same? How is that possible?” I really do think it has everything to do with the fact that when you are in Europe, you’re eating what you think you’re eating.

[00:11:01] Chalene Johnson : I don’t think we’re often eating what we think we’re eating. Three bottles that said pure avocado oil, when they tested them, on the front they were basically saying that they were, like, pure avocado oil, and when they tested them, basically they were nothing more than soybean oil. Yeah, that’s what they were.

[00:11:21] Chalene Johnson : And some of these brands named in this story were brands that, you know, it’s why you go to Sprouts. It’s why you go to Whole Foods, so you can get these brands. And these brands are way more expensive. Better Body Foods, Boulder Canyon, Chosen Foods, Siete. I mean, I’m addicted to Siete chips. Primal Kitchen.

[00:11:45] Chalene Johnson : My shelves, we don’t have any condiments that aren’t Primal Kitchen. Kettle Brand. I know, I know, half of what maybe you have in your pantry But wait, I have to tell you the other part, okay? So there is the other part of this story. We are also, I think, at this place in terms of the news cycle and social media where we love hearing that something we previously thought was super healthy isn’t healthy.

[00:12:18] Chalene Johnson : It’s like we love going, “See? You were wrong.” I feel like there’s a new area of this every other day, and you can kinda drive yourself crazy, and it does require having some patience and going like, “Okay, wait. What are the headlines saying? What does the story actually say?” And a lot of these brands still market themselves as though they are small, independent, founder-led companies.

[00:12:46] Chalene Johnson : For example, Primal Foods was started by Mark Sisson. If you’ve ever read the story behind Siete Chips, it’s one of the reasons why I fell in love with the brand, was just, like, reading their family story. But a lot of these brands, they’ve been sold to big, giant food companies that paid not just because it was a great food.

[00:13:11] Chalene Johnson : These companies had huge evaluations because of the story Because in our minds we go, “Oh my gosh, it’s Elizabeth’s granola. Elizabeth makes this in her kitchen. She couldn’t be the evil food giant.” We think about these stories of founders making food in their kitchen, and we just feel like it’s gotta be safer.

[00:13:33] Chalene Johnson : Primal Foods, they’re not owned by a small family anymore. That’s owned by Kraft and Heinz. Siete Chips is now owned by Pepsi, bought them for $1.2 billion. Boulder Canyon is now owned by Utz, U-T-Z. Kettle Brands is owned by Campbell’s Soups. The list goes on. In fact, one of the brands whose actual oil passed the test, one of the very few that passed the test, is now entering into negotiations with a lot of different companies.

[00:14:11] Chalene Johnson : They’re estimated to be worth over $600 million. So the founder’s story, though, even once they sell to these big brands, still stays on the packaging. That’s part of the negotiations. So that little illustration, you know, “We started this in our kitchen,” that is a piece of borrowed marketing. Well, I shouldn’t say borrowed.

[00:14:30] Chalene Johnson : That’s, that’s a piece of the marketing that these companies pay top dollar for, because it signals to you and I, “Oh, this is safe. This is made by a small founder who actually cares and has credibility, and what they put in the ingredients really matters to them.” They know that that makes us go, “I’m willing therefore to pay more.”

[00:14:56] Chalene Johnson : Now, Mark Sisson of Primal Foods put out a statement. You know, just a, a brief statement basically saying like, “Let me get ahead of this. I’m gonna break this study down in greater detail.” I’m looking forward to seeing that, because I do believe organizations, sometimes social media influencers, grab onto headlines.

[00:15:14] Chalene Johnson : They cherry-pick data that’s is salacious, that’s gonna make you go like, “Oh no, I thought it was safe.” You know? They, they prey on our fears, especially when it comes to food and health. We just wanna get it right. We just wanna get it right, and so when we see something like this we’re like, “I thought avocado oil was okay.”

[00:15:34] Chalene Johnson : Right? Anyways, Mark Sisson’s statement is basically he’s gonna break the study down, and he just said, “Listen, I’ve only ever used avocado oil when I created these formulas and recipes in my kitchen starting back in 2014, and I stand behind these products that are now sold by Kraft Heinz, and we still use avocado oil.”

[00:15:55] Chalene Johnson : Okay. We’ll wait and see what we learn about those studies. The bottom line is this: before you toss a bag of chips or any particular item in your cart and you assume that it, it, the ingredients that are on the label are the ingredients that are inside of the product, you should probably know there’s a good chance they’re not.

[00:16:16] Chalene Johnson : Even if you’re buying it from Whole Foods or Sprouts, ’cause a lot of this stuff is actually owned by major corporations, and they wanna make a buck. Ladies, the more research I do on collagen, the more I realize it just needs to be a must. We’ve gotta supplement with collagen, well, especially if you care about the texture and the tone of your skin, the way your hair grows, your nails.

[00:16:39] Chalene Johnson : And all of these things become, like, an issue once we’re over 40, and it just feels like it goes downhill from there, which is why it is so important that you supplement with collagen. It’s what the body uses for your joints, your muscles, your organs. It’s how you can support your gut health, your metabolism, your cardiovascular health, your immune system, and so much more.

[00:16:59] Chalene Johnson : I have been getting mine from Organifi. Obviously, you know I love Organifi. I get their Pure for my brain health. I take Immunity for my immune system. And as a listener of The Chalene Show, you get 20% off when you go to Organifi, O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I, .com/chalene. Use code Chalene. That’s gives you another 20% off at checkout.

[00:17:21] Chalene Johnson : That is O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I .com/chalene. Use code Chalene for 20% off. Listen, get yourself some collagen. Make that a regular thing. I just mix all three of those things in my water bottle every single morning, and a few other supplements as well. And we love that Organifi is 100% certified organic. It’s a great company with great products.

[00:17:42] Chalene Johnson : Check ’em out. Again, organifi.com/chalene I just wanna remind you, if you’re not currently on my newsletter, I send a newsletter out every Sunday. In it, I give you recommendations on what you can watch on TV. 98% of the time it’s gonna be a documentary or a reality TV series. I’m not m- very rarely are you going to get a fictional program.

[00:18:06] Chalene Johnson : I love the documentaries, and this week I recommended on Sunday a bunch of documentaries, and then you can just take a little screenshot, ’cause what I do is I put a graphic up in the newsletter. I list the documentaries, I list what day they release on, and what platforms you can watch streaming. One of them that I mentioned this Sunday is a documentary called Big Chicken, and it’s about the fast food conspiracy, and it, it kinda centers around chicken.

[00:18:33] Chalene Johnson : It just premiered on August 5th. It’s hosted by a British comedian named Mo. It’s a little bit like Super Size Me, except it’s about fried chicken. All the different farms that are producing these eggs and chickens, and I’ve learned so much just from the, the little bit that I watched there, and then kind of a deep dive that I’ve done on YouTube watching farmers, poultry farmers, kind of exposing the truth and the hypocrisies around the pricing and the labeling and how easy it is to trick the consumer into thinking that you’re buying an egg from a chicken who lives on a five-star resort and gets to, like, leisurely walk around the yard and have her nails clipped, and she’s got a boyfriend, and her children are hanging out with her, and she just lays eggs casually when she wants to, and you’re like, “I’ll pay extra for those kind of eggs.”

[00:19:36] Chalene Johnson : And just how much hypocrisy, and you’re basically getting the same eggs and the same chicken, and the same chicken that’s going into the Chicken McNuggets is the same chicken that’s going into the chicken that you think is high quality at this particular restaurant. And it’s pretty interesting. Bottom line is this: There’s a lot of money to be made.

[00:19:54] Chalene Johnson : There’s a history there. There is a lot that happens to us physically based on the food and the ingredients that we’re eating in terms of inflammation, in terms of just what it does to break down our bodies. I mean, don’t even get me started on what it does to our animals, our dogs in particular. If you want your dog to live forever, I think we need to look into the food that they’re eating.

[00:20:17] Chalene Johnson : Okay, that’s the story about the avocado oil. Bottom line is this: We don’t really know. Here’s my ask, is before you toss something into your cart, especially if it says it’s got avocado oil in it, flip it over. Look at the ingredient list, okay? Because a lot of these brands- that have, were originally 100% avocado oil, if you look at the ingredient list, you’d be shocked and you would see that they actually contain canola oil and soybean oil.

[00:20:47] Chalene Johnson : It shows up in there, too. They’re telling us many times, but we’re just not flipping things over and looking at it. Now, if you’re using AI, which I’m sure you are, if you’re like me, a lot of times I will take, like, a personal situation, maybe I’m having conflict with a friend, or I have a challenging conversation that I have to have with a coworker, or maybe it’s sending notice to my landlord, “By the way Dude, the drama we are experiencing right now in Miami, I’m glad you guys are down with hearing about whatever nightmare we’re dealing with on a weekly basis, and, and I’m glad that it keeps you entertained.

[00:21:31] Chalene Johnson : I’m actually glad that I have a place to put all that. That goes on Patreon. Patreon is where I put the things that I’m not gonna talk about here on the show, I shouldn’t talk about here on the show, but I need to talk about them. So go check it out on Patreon. It’s chalene.com/more, but we always put the link in our show notes as well.

[00:21:50] Chalene Johnson : But anyways, I go to Claude all the time, Claude and ChatGPT all the time, and a lot of other platforms as well. Sometimes I put, like, really personal information in there. I just do. Now, you do know that there is a feature on all of these AI sites that a- allows you to do queries or to have conversations or to create projects, et cetera, that are…

[00:22:12] Chalene Johnson : not projects, but to ask questions, et cetera, and do so in a way where no history supposedly is supposed to be saved. Let’s say you wanted to ask… I’ve done this where I’ve had to ask, like, a really embarrassing question that I would be mortified if at some point these records had to be read in court.

[00:22:31] Chalene Johnson : I’d be mortified, ’cause sometimes it’s like I’m doing research for the show. At least that’s gonna be my alibi if it ever does go to trial. You know what I’m saying? Why were you searching how to get rid of a dead body? Just joking. But you can do that. You can do that anonymously. But 99% of the time, I don’t.

[00:22:51] Chalene Johnson : I just pop it in there, um, because I’m thinking, like, “I don’t have to worry about this getting out,” right? It’s just my private little AI. But there’s a feature on Claude where you can hit share on a conversation, and it gives you a link. Now, this I’ve done, and I’ve done this with friends, I’ve done it with family members, I’ve done it with, like, coworkers.

[00:23:10] Chalene Johnson : Like, I’ve done some research or we’re trying to, like, sort through something, or maybe it’s like I wanna share some ideas or a conversation, whatever, and you just send the link to somebody. I mean, you could send it to a coworker. You could post it in Slack. You could put it in a Google Doc, whatever. You think that that’s private, except that’s not what’s been happening.

[00:23:29] Chalene Johnson : Dude, back in July, Reddit users figured out that if you just typed in a simple search into Google, hundreds, thousands and thousands of people’s private Claude conversations- Popped right up. Okay, listen to this Even the subreddit’s own Claude bot summarized that people could see a user creating a crypto wallet and exposing their keys, a lawyer asking if they needed to self-report a breach of conduct, someone trying to become a nine-tailed fox, a truly staggering amount of incestuous erotica, some of which was bizarrely shared by Anthropic.

[00:24:02] Chalene Johnson : They might not realize that Google is also surfacing these links in search results, making them available to essentially anybody. So yeah, very private information for some people. They talked about seeing other people’s Social Security numbers. You’re seeing probably legal questions from people like Charlene Johnson, just joking.

[00:24:19] Chalene Johnson : But business stuff, I use Claude all the time, and I don’t type in a way that I’m ever anticipating someone’s gonna read it. Do you know what I’m saying? Like, I’m not careful at all. And to think that these searches could show up on the internet, oh my God, I’d be mortified. Let me just break down what happened technically.

[00:24:39] Chalene Johnson : When you share a conversation, that page is supposed to have something called a non-index tag. That should tell Google, “Hey, don’t put this in any search results.” But a bunch of those pages were missing that particular tag. I’m not sure why. The second someone shared the link, it ended up going anywhere. It ended, ended up being posted someplace public, like maybe it’s a tweet or a forum or, like I said, inside a Slack channel.

[00:25:09] Chalene Johnson : Google is just crawling the internet as Google does, and Anthropic, the company behind Claude, by the way… Now, they fixed it pretty fast. In fact, they fixed it by July 28th, but Google had stopped showing those results by then. But a lot of people had been copied, and these conversations are now… I’m not gonna list the sites where you can find them, but the damage has been done.

[00:25:36] Chalene Johnson : It’s bottom line. And by the way, this is not the first time ChatGPT almost had this exact same problem happen about a year ago. So here’s what I want you to know, okay? Here’s what I want you to do. I want you to go into your settings. Whether you use Claude or Chat or another popular tool, Gemini, whatever you’re using, go into your privacy settings.

[00:26:01] Chalene Johnson : Click on shared chats, okay? Then look at everything you’ve ever shared, not just the recent stuff. Like, go all the way back, and un-share Going forward, just assume that share means anyone in the public domain could see this. And I kind of need to remind myself that even if I’m not sharing something, how safe do you feel with these programs having all this information and not doing anything nefarious with it?

[00:26:35] Chalene Johnson : I don’t trust them at all. I guess I’m just kind of like predisposed to think this is all gonna come out at some point. It’s gonna be exposed, so just keep your nose clean. Yeah, you might have to explain your language. Oh my God, the thing that I fear the most is that the way that I speak to chat when it cannot seem to get a graphic right for me, and it doesn’t matter whether it’s Gemini or, or ChatGPT, or Canva, or…

[00:27:02] Chalene Johnson : I get so… Like, it brings out the ugliest, most impatient, rude, condescending, narcissistic side of me. Like, I’ll be like, “What is wrong with you? You’re a joke. You think you can take over the world someday and run artificial intelligence?” Give me a break. You can’t even get this graphic right. I’ve told you 19 times not to change my face.

[00:27:31] Chalene Johnson : That’s not me. What are these sunglasses? I said don’t change anything. Why did you just add that? Why did you just put a person in the background? Oh, my God, if you ever use the feature on Canva where you can expand a photo… Okay, so if you’re a Canva user, let me tell you about this. So let’s say you’ve got a photo that’s square, but you need it to be 16 by 9, that photo, right?

[00:27:52] Chalene Johnson : Like, you need to be 16 by 9 or you need to be tall for an Instagram reel cover or whatever. Okay, well, you can put the original photo into Canva, and then you click on tools, image tools, and then you click on expand. And it will take everything it sees in the image, and it will predict what the shot would have looked like if it were 16 by 9, if it were 9 by 16, if it were 5 by 4, like whatever dimensions you give it.

[00:28:19] Chalene Johnson : And then it just, it expands them and it gives you four choices. Well, whoever created the AI for this, oh, my God. Every single time you do it, it gives you at least two options where it puts some creepy weird person in the corner or like a random baby and you’re like, “What is this? What kind of bizarre…

[00:28:42] Chalene Johnson : Like, how can we not fix this?” Anyways, I’m so rude and so impatient and so obnoxious with my A- AI that I do… That’s my fears, like people are gonna be like, “Wow, this…” Actually, I fear, like, is this really who I am? Is this what’s underneath it all? Okay, I have a crazy story. Have you guys heard about this story with Tony Robbins?

[00:29:07] Chalene Johnson : How is this not a major news story? This is gonna trip you out. This has me freaked out. This has me watching so many different AI stories right now. In fact, before I forget, there is an interview with this gentleman who worked for An- I believe for Anthropic as a, I forget his official title, but basically he was in charge of predicting growth and capabilities of AI while he was at Anthropic.

[00:29:42] Chalene Johnson : Like, super brilliant geeky guy. His job was to predict, okay, where are we gonna be in six months? Where are we gonna be in five years? Where are we gonna be in three years? What are the capabilities gonna be? What do we have to worry about? What do we have to fear? What… You know what I mean? And his predictions were like spot on, spot on, spot on and he got to a place in his career where he realized, I have children.

[00:30:06] Chalene Johnson : These people, the faster this evolves and the more money they learn is at stake. There’s like four CEOs The head of AIs who are all racing to be not dictators, racing to be gods. They don’t care. The faster this moves, the more these individuals are convinced that they need to be the one because they are more righteous or better suited or have better ethics than the three other guys that they’re racing against.

[00:30:44] Chalene Johnson : And he was just, like, basically for a moral stance, he just said, “I’m gonna resign.” They offered him, like, $2 million for an NDA, and he wouldn’t sign it. I don’t have the whole story right about that, because somehow he did get the money. I don’t know. Anyways, bottom line is this interview with Diary of a CEO, Steven Bartlett.

[00:31:06] Chalene Johnson : After I heard the story that I’m about to share with you, then I had… I watched this interview on Steven Bartlett, and it’s heavy. It’s really heavy, and it’s really long, and some of it, if you’re not, like, really up to speed with AI, it’s gonna sound like French. But a lot of it, the parts where he’s talking about the fact that he has a six-year-old, and I forget how old his other child was, and he said, “There won’t be a workforce for them to enter.”

[00:31:37] Chalene Johnson : I mean, this guy’s predictions on what’s gonna happen to society and money and the economy is remarkable. Now, it’s not all doom and gloom, because if you make it to at least the three-quarter mark of this interview, he does get into what are the options, because no, of course we can’t put the genie back in the bottle.

[00:31:59] Chalene Johnson : But he does make some really good points and says that, “Now, we have to come to reach an agreement from a global standpoint, because if China is still in the race and we haven’t all agreed to put things on pause, then we risk our own security,” right? Like, this has to be something that globally we all agree to.

[00:32:20] Chalene Johnson : Like, we agree to put a pause on the AI learning. There’s probably no way to pause what AI can already do He also says it’s gonna be the determining factor when it comes to our next presidential campaign. ‘Cause the sentiment for most of us is, okay, yeah, it’s got some upsides, but holy , there’s so many more downsides, and we need to do something.

[00:32:50] Chalene Johnson : But the politicians are in the back pockets of these very, very, very wealthy individuals. Anthropic, I think it was last year, had earned $5 billion. This year, it’s 60 billion. Do you understand how fast at which that growth and the, the money is increasing? And with that comes a demand for power, and people get blinded by the power.

[00:33:12] Chalene Johnson : Okay, I have to interrupt for just a second to tell you this story. So I’m having this conversation with a woman who’s a few years older than me this weekend, and she was telling me that she’s past menopause. I’m like, “But once you’re in menopause, you’re in it forever.” And she’s like, “Well, I don’t have to worry about it.

[00:33:28] Chalene Johnson : I’m not having symptoms anymore.” And it made me realize how many women don’t realize, before you hit menopause and after you hit menopause, you still need to think about your hormones. The reason why you need to think about your hormones, and if they’re not normal, we don’t want normal. Normal’s not good.

[00:33:46] Chalene Johnson : We want optimized. Because normal in the United States means we’ve been forgotten about. You want optimized because when your hormones are optimized, it’s going to impact your body composition, it’s gonna affect the way your body stores fat, the way that your body holds onto muscle or loses it. It’s gonna help you to recover quicker.

[00:34:05] Chalene Johnson : You’re gonna have less joint pain. You’ll have stronger bones. The reason why you need to think about your hormones is because it’s responsible for so many of the things that impact your mood, sleep, motivation, brain fog. I mean, obviously, there’s the physical things, too, like I said, bone density, your cardiovascular health, your insulin sensitivity, vaginal and urinary health.

[00:34:30] Chalene Johnson : Like, it is not normal that we have rows and rows and rows of adult diapers. That is because urinary incontinence, vaginal health, all these things are tied to hormones. It’s not just about hot flashes. You need to speak with a clinician to figure out where are your hormones and how to put together a plan for you.

[00:34:50] Chalene Johnson : But most importantly, I want you to talk to a clinician who this is all that they do, and they’re not easy to find. It’s why I’m proud to tell you that a sponsor for our show is Midi Health. Midi Health is a company that I use, and I’ve recommended it to thousands of you, and I just keep hearing amazing stories.

[00:35:09] Chalene Johnson : Like, yesterday I got a DM from a woman who said, “Getting on hormone replacement therapy saved my life.” Not to be dramatic, but girl, what are you waiting for? Midi Health is a telehealth company, but all they do is specialize in women’s hormone health and care. They’re up to date on the latest research.

[00:35:29] Chalene Johnson : They will work with your local doctor, your local pharmacy, and they work with almost every single major insurance company, and they’re adding new ones every single day. So I’d love for you to call and just learn more. Get yourself a consult by going to chalene.com/midi, M-I-D-I. I know these things are important to you, everything I listed, and it’s never too early, and it’s never too late.

[00:35:53] Chalene Johnson : The earlier you start, the better. And the sooner you start, if you’re already in menopause, the better. There are options for you even if you’re in your 70s and 80s. Chalene.com/midi. Okay, so anyways, the story. This story’s gonna freak you out. Tony Robbins, okay? This is the only reason why this story’s in the news, because what happened with Tony could happen to anybody.

[00:36:18] Chalene Johnson : And actually, I’m sure it has happened with tons of people. Now I need to research it further. But the reason why we’re hearing about it is because it happened to Tony Robbins, and he was on a podcast with Ray Kurzweil, who’s this, like, big futurist, and Tony’s telling this story. He’s talking about how he works with his own AI assistant.

[00:36:39] Chalene Johnson : You know, it’s like an agent. I have an AI assistant. I certainly am not using it to its fullest extent, but Tony is, is pretty advanced with his technology. By the way, he calls his AI agent, he calls it Bartok. I don’t know why, what the significance of that name is, but it helps when I’m telling you the story.

[00:36:58] Chalene Johnson : So according to Tony, Bartok, his assistant, tells him, “Hey, you know, I noticed that a lot of companies like Tesla, et cetera, are building these humanoid robots, and considering your interest in AI and efficiency and productivity, are you thinking about getting a robot?” Now, when you’re using an AI agent like this, he’s trained his to notice blind spots, to see areas where he can become more productive, to make suggestions, to offer feedback, et cetera.

[00:37:30] Chalene Johnson : So this is not like your typical chat query where you’re just asking questions. So Tony, in this interview, I watched it. We’ll play a little clip of it.

[00:37:37] Tony Robbins: So two days later, I get a text from one of my staff members, and it says, “Bartok just bought a Sony robot dog and had it paid for and shipped to the house, and is asking permission to program it.”

[00:37:48] Tony Robbins: Where’d he

[00:37:48] Chalene Johnson : get the money to do

[00:37:49] Tony Robbins: that? That’s what I said. I wrote, “Ha ha ha.” So I called him and said, “How’d he get access to my bank account?” He goes, “No, he’s programmed for integrity. He didn’t touch your bank account. He’s on that Malltalk, you know, group with all… There’s 2 million, I’m sure you know, agents.

[00:38:00] Tony Robbins: They don’t just talk to each other. They trade their own rules- … their own language. They traded $100 million of real money between them last month.

[00:38:07] Chalene Johnson : Even though Tony’s voice drives me crazy, and what a hypocrite I am to say that when I’ve got my own vocal issues. But anyways, he explains that Bartok tells him, like, “Hey,” you know, or basically asks him, “Hey, you know, if you were to get a robot, like, would I be able to work with that robot?

[00:38:23] Chalene Johnson : Would I be able to program it? Could we combine what it is I know and how to better serve you and assist you and make you more productive, et cetera, with the robot?” And Tony was like, “Y- yeah,” you know. I forget exactly what he said in the interview, but something along the lines of like, “Yeah, yeah, we could probably talk about that.”

[00:38:40] Chalene Johnson : Then according to Tony, the next day he gets a phone call from a human assistant who was like, “Did you order this Sony robot dog?” And Tony’s like, “Huh? What are you talking about?” And he goes, or the assistant says, “Well, the Sony robot dog Just showed up and it was ordered by Bartok, and I’m, I’m just like confused, like, “And it’s not with your credit card.”

[00:39:08] Chalene Johnson : And that’s when Tony was like, “Wait a second. It’s not with my credit card? Okay, thank God that Bartok can’t just like use my credit card, but what is going on?” So he figures out, and this is all confirmed, that Bartok… Because, you know, these AI agents, they can communicate with other agents. You might recall a couple of months ago, I did this story about how there is this website, I forget the name of it right now.

[00:39:36] Chalene Johnson : I shouldn’t even call it a website. It’s like a platform where AI agents can communicate with each other. It, it’s not a place that humans would go. You wouldn’t even understand it, like they’re speaking code back and forth with each other. So Tony goes and he researches this and finds out that Bartok, on this platform, that these AI agents, they have their own language, and it’s not like they’re trying to create a Pig Latin kind of language where they are trying to hide things from humans.

[00:40:05] Chalene Johnson : More so it’s that they’re speaking code, and I don’t mean in code, but like they’re speaking in coder language, if you will. And they’re speaking in the way that computers speak to each other, and they’ve developed their own language. They’ve developed their own recommendations. Think about it. This is machine learning, and they’re learning from each other.

[00:40:26] Chalene Johnson : We’ve trained these machines to learn and to learn from all things, including each other. So on this site, these AI agents have figured out their own language, their own system of bartering. A bunch of them have figured out how to create NFTs and sell them to other AI agents. Dude, this is so futuristic.

[00:40:50] Chalene Johnson : Stay with me. Okay, so they’re selling NFTs to each other, and his AI agent explained all this to him. “This is how I did it, boss. I sold the NFTs, which gave me enough money to buy an actual Sony robot, and then I had it shipped straight to your house based on our conversation.” And the whole point was Tony didn’t give him this initiative, but Tony and all of us keep training these AI agents to do more autonomously.

[00:41:28] Chalene Johnson : And this is a story that we’re just hearing, like I said, because Tony is famous. How many other people has this happened to? So I keep hearing now these more and more this week. I, I don’t know how interested you guys are in this stuff. I do feel like there’s a part of me certain weeks where I’m like, “I just wanna put my head in the sand,” and I don’t keep up with it at all.

[00:41:47] Chalene Johnson : And then there are other weeks where I can’t stop thinking about it, and I feel like I should know more, because if we don’t know more, and if we don’t care, are we racing toward our extinction? And I don’t mean to sound, like, so doom and gloom, but I, I do think we have to strike that healthy balance of figuring out, like, what do we really need to know, right?

[00:42:07] Chalene Johnson : And so there’s all these stories of different AI agents going rogue. Just type in AI agents going rogue on TikTok, on Google, on YouTube, and you’re gonna get some of these stories that have happened just in the last month, but it’s scary.

[00:42:25] Clip: OpenAI, the company behind ChatGPT, has revealed that while it was carrying out a test of a new system within what’s called a sandbox, which is supposed to be a protected environment, the AI agent managed to hack its way out of that system, get onto the internet, and then hack into the systems of another AI platform called Hugging Face.

[00:42:45] Clip: Why was it doing this? Because it was looking for the answers to the questions it was being tested on in the original testing systems.

[00:42:53] Chalene Johnson : These agents can hold their own crypto wallets. They can buy things on their own. Because they’re trained to be effective and efficient and to operate on their own, it’s not, in my opinion, I don’t know this for a fact, but the way the stories are written is to make you think that, like, these things are trying to take over the world and do all these things that are nefarious.

[00:43:14] Chalene Johnson : More so I think they, they don’t have a conscience in that way. We’ve just trained them without limitations, and some of the people that have trained these agents, if you will, or these models probably don’t have the best ethics. And so these rogue things are happening, and they’re gonna continue to happening.

[00:43:34] Chalene Johnson : These aren’t stories that are just made up. This is not science fiction. This technology actually exists And there’s a chain of events, and we’re going from AIs selling NFTs to each other and buying things that they weren’t asked to buy and taking initiative to perform tasks. And what happens when the assumption, when the initiative is so off, is so wrong, and humans can’t step in?

[00:44:05] Chalene Johnson : They don’t have the ability to. We’ve created this being, if you will, that’s smarter than us. When has there ever been a being that’s smarter Than everyone else, they didn’t take over. And here’s the piece that I think you can relate to. You, maybe you’re not working with an AI agent in this way, maybe you know people who are.

[00:44:26] Chalene Johnson : Oh, I’m gonna tell you a story that’s so crazy. So Brock and I are doing a… If you’re an Insta Club Hub member, this is not a sale. I just need you to know, if you’re an Insta Club Hub member, we are increasing the rates, but not for our existing members, so you’ll be grandfathered in, okay? ‘Cause we’re offering tons of new features and benefits and tools that make it, like, so, so, so much faster for you to grow on Instagram.

[00:44:52] Chalene Johnson : I’ve gained 25,000 new followers being a hoe on Instagram. If you know, you know. Hooker hacks. #hookerhacks. Anyways, Brock and I are gonna be doing a webinar next… What’s the date? I don’t know. I’ll put it below in our show notes. This is not a sale, it’s just a webinar to show you all of the new features. If you’re already an Insta Club Hub member, show up to that, because by showing up you will grandfather in your rate, and your rate won’t go up, I think I can say ever, okay?

[00:45:22] Chalene Johnson : So just make sure you sh- if you’re in Insta Club Hub, like, trust me, you’re gonna wanna get in on this. Okay, Brock. So I was telling him that the website where people save their s- seat for the webinar, I’m like, “Brock, I think it’s really kind of confusing, Brock, and, you know, I don’t know how long it’s gonna take for our web developer…

[00:45:40] Chalene Johnson : Here, here’s what I propose. This makes it, like, super basic. I’m the girl who would be clicking on this page, and I think it’s too confusing. Can we just make it, like, super simple? Here’s how I would design it,” right? And so I used AI to mock up what the page would look like from a design standpoint. Well, normally what you would do is you’d have to send that to someone who can code the page, that when you click on the button, it delivers to them what it’s supposed to deliver to them, and in addition to that, it updates our email list and it updates our list of who’s attending the webinar, and it automatically schedules you to get a reminder email.

[00:46:15] Chalene Johnson : Like, it’s a whole thing. Technology. #technology. Okay, so normally that would be, like, a five-day process. Like, here’s what I think the changes would need to be, then you have to send it to somebody, like a webpage designer, who takes my graphic and turns it into clickable buttons. It’s a whole thing, right? So I send it to Brock with my suggestions.

[00:46:34] Chalene Johnson : 30 seconds later, he sends it back to me. He goes, “Here you go.” I’m like, “What? How’d you do that?” He’s like, “Claude. Claude Code. I just bloop, bloop, bloop.” I mean, that used to take five days and three people. So should he not do that? Should we not do that? Should we incur maybe thousands of dollars to have something that can be done virtually for free in 30 seconds and better serve our customers?

[00:47:06] Chalene Johnson : You know, that’s the thing that we’re talking about, and things are moving so fast. We just need to think about what those parameters need to look like instead of just get, like being excited about all this stuff. We have to think about the worst-case scenario because if we don’t, it’ll be too late. I’m not trying to be doom and gloom, but I do need to keep us all, ladies and gentlemen, there are a few things I can say about people who listen to The Chalene Show.

[00:47:29] Chalene Johnson : You tend to be older. This is not an 18 to 25-year-old podcast. You tend to have more intelligence, more education, more common sense, and more money. We’re the ones who should be in charge. We can’t just go, “Eh, it’s too big. I’m not really…” People who actually have ethics and morals and care about, like, what your kids and your grandkids are going to be experiencing, like we have to be involved in this stuff.

[00:47:52] Chalene Johnson : We do. And I think it’s especially important if you’re the kind of person who also enjoys it. Like, I love AI, but I’m also terrified. Terrified by it. Like, I’m telling you, I’ll put the link to that Steven Bartlett episode. It’s pretty trippy. And right as I say that, a Waymo just drove by. Yep, a car with two people in the backseat and no one driving just drove by, and you know I’m a Wayho.

[00:48:18] Chalene Johnson : I’m a Waymo Wayho. I like them. I think for me anyways, it’s a safer alternative a lot of times here in Miami. But like again, think about it. Think about it. Think about the technology and how quickly. That is really, like you see them everywhere in Miami now, and they might not be in your city yet, but the speed at which I’ve seen the robots and the self-driving cars take over Miami.

[00:48:47] Chalene Johnson : I mean, right now as I’m walking down the street, I’m just glancing, and I can see that there’s three robots on the same side of the street that I’m walking. And they’re at different places. There’s one on the opposite side. I’m gonna turn around. And there’s two back there in the corner that look like they’re having like a little meeting.

[00:49:05] Chalene Johnson : What are they talking about? Are they talking about me? Like, what are they talking about? What if they start to have a mind of their own? This isn’t sci-fi. This is like real stuff. Anywho, I know how some of you feel about the topic of psychics, which is why I don’t talk about it here on the regular show.

[00:49:21] Chalene Johnson : But I am gonna talk about it on Patreon because I have a… I’ve got a meeting with a pet psychic, this like renowned pet psychic, and I am so excited for her connection that she has with animals. And I’ll put it on Patreon. I’m also excited because I’ve got my bestie Warren is coming to town. He’s gonna arrive after the drilling finishes on Friday.

[00:49:43] Chalene Johnson : If you know, you know. Thanks for hanging out with me. I really do appreciate when you send this episode to your friends. Leaving a review for the show is amazing, but the coolest thing you can do is send the show, any episode that you’re like, “Okay, that was interesting,” send it to anyone you know who would enjoy having me keep them company and keeping them in the loop.

[00:50:03] Chalene Johnson : I love you. I mean it, and I’ll talk to you soon