Retatrutide Deaths, Scary AI Chatbots for Kids & Kelly Clarkson’s Feud

[00:00:00] Chalene Johnson : What is up? Hey, thank you so much for tuning into The Chalene Show. I know you’ve got a lot of things you could be listening to. We have a ton of topics to cover today. There have been recent deaths related to these black market peptides. We’re gonna get into it, but we’re also gonna put it into perspective.

[00:00:16] Chalene Johnson : How serious are these allegations? How deadly are some of these black market peptides compared to other things that you can get over the counter today at your local CVS? I’m gonna recap the response that I received to Wednesday’s episode. Wow, some of the responses and emails and letters and DMs that I got blew my mind.

[00:00:39] Chalene Johnson : 60 Minutes did a piece on a AI platform, some might even consider it a game, that specifically targets kids. It’s a way for them to chat and have conversations with these little characters that they can create for themselves. And it’s recently been discovered that these chatbots, which are training themselves on conversations, have unknowingly, to many parents and to many users, started targeting children with sexually explicit conversations.

[00:01:11] Chalene Johnson : We’re gonna talk about America’s sweetheart, Kelly Clarkson, getting into an online battle, a brawl, with her own pretty woman experience that she had at a store in New York City. I’ve got some new girly tips I wanna share with you, like skincare and makeup. That’s at the end, as well as a rapid fire brainstorm of all the different ways you could be using AI to save you time, save you money, and just relieve some of the pressure you feel in your brain by trying to keep it all together.

[00:01:43] Chalene Johnson : That and so much more today on The Chalene Show. Hey, thanks for being here. Let’s get to it. Ever since the GLP-1s became so readily accessible on the internet, ever since I realized, oh my God, everybody is selling these things, and we really don’t even know where they’re coming from. Everyone’s so excited to inject this stuff because they can get it cheaper from their friend who’s got, quote, “A really good source.”

[00:02:09] Chalene Johnson : You know I’ve been saying here on the show, I’m so surprised we haven’t heard about a ton of, I don’t know, bad things happening, where people end up in the hospital. ‘Cause again, people are injecting something into their body that they’re buying a lot of times online from sources that they have no idea where it’s coming from or what they’re actually injecting.

[00:02:32] Chalene Johnson : And a lot of these companies are selling things that aren’t available. I mean, they’re not available legally anyway, so what are we injecting? And I’ve been saying it, I think it’s really kind of strange that we haven’t been hearing about crazy adverse reactions or just some catastrophic results from people injecting this stuff.

[00:02:52] Chalene Johnson : Not to mention the fact that there’s GLP-1s, and then there’s all these other different types of peptides. By the way, side note before I forget. Let me just say, in Miami it’s really clear to me who is taking the… I forget what it’s called now, but there’s a peptide that you can take that makes you look tan.

[00:03:12] Chalene Johnson : Now I can spot it so fast. You know like when someone’s using a self-tanner, you can just tell it’s self-tan and not a real tan? You know what I mean? It’s kind of a little bit orangey. It just has a look to it. You can tell a real tan. This peptide tan, you can tell it’s not a real tan. First of all, it’s way too even.

[00:03:35] Chalene Johnson : Most people when they lay out, they just, they lay out on your back, so your front side’s getting tan, or just your body, it doesn’t tan evenly. I’m telling you what, there’s a whole bunch of people at my gym in Miami that are definitely on this tanning peptide, and it’s so interesting. It’s like a very specific, like their skin is all of it exactly the same color, and it’s kind of a muddier brown.

[00:03:58] Chalene Johnson : Kind of like a, yeah, it’s almost like a muddy brown instead of an orange brown. I’m not saying it looks bad, although I’ve seen quite a few people who’ve taken it way too far. I’m never, ever, ever gonna do that. Hail to the no. Sorry, back to my story. There are some deaths to report, and they are related to people who thought that they were taking retatrutide.

[00:04:20] Chalene Johnson : So what is retatrutide? It is a GLP. It’s a experimental once-weekly weight loss injection. It targets three different receptors: GLP-1, GIP, and glucagon. So there’s Ozempic, which is a GLP-1. There’s tirzepatide, which is a GLP… I think that’s considered a GLP-2, ’cause tirzepatide has GLP-1 and GIP Retatrutide, as I’ve talked about many times here on the show, is all the rage.

[00:04:52] Chalene Johnson : It’s the popular one, even though studies show fully 98% of people who are on retatrutide have no way of verifying or actually being able to know with certainty if they’re actually injecting retatrutide, because it’s not even available here in the US. So who knows what people are injecting? Could it be retatrutide?

[00:05:15] Chalene Johnson : It could be. I don’t know how people are obtaining or pharmacies are obtaining it, but how would you know if you were taking retatrutide versus tirzepatide? Retatrutide is– the reason why it’s all the rage is because it involves your appetite, it involves blood sugar, but it specifically targets energy.

[00:05:39] Chalene Johnson : It gives you more energy, supposedly, and the trials seem to indicate that it significantly reduces body fat and allows people to maintain some degree of appetite. I really don’t know all the science behind it, but I will say everyone’s talking about it, and it is the reason why so many fitness people talk about retatrutide because, again, they can still eat their protein supposedly and lose weight or lose body fat.

[00:06:11] Chalene Johnson : Because remember, just a reminder, if you’re losing weight, that’s great. But if you’re losing muscle, that ain’t great. And if you’re not consuming enough calories, even if it’s all protein, you’re gonna be losing muscle. Okay. Retatrutide is considered kind of like everyone’s saying this is gonna make Eli Lilly richer than the universe.

[00:06:34] Chalene Johnson : It’s like the next generation of all of these GLPs, and it’s still being studied. It has not been yet FDA approved. People call it Retta. If you go onto TikTok and type in Ratatouille, the name of that rat in the movie, Ratatouille, that’s what people call it as a code name so that they don’t get their accounts banned.

[00:06:56] Chalene Johnson : I mean, I know so many people that have had their accounts banned or temporarily suspended just for mentioning peptides. Anyways, a lot of people have heard about this drug. A lot of people have talked about this drug. A lot of people think that they’re on this drug. A lot of people are selling this drug, and we don’t really even know if they are.

[00:07:14] Chalene Johnson : But if you are getting it, you’re not getting it at the moment from an approved pharmacy This week, CBS News got two reports that were filed with the FDA about two women who’ve died from what they thought are something that was being sold as Retatrutide. The first was a 41-year-old woman. She went into cardiac arrest in July.

[00:07:37] Chalene Johnson : The report said that she got it from, quote, “an unreliable source.” I’ve told you before that there are women in one of the nai- I go to, like, a bunch of different nail salons, so I’m not gonna indict e- anyone, but I’m gonna tell you that one of the salons I go to, one of the nail techs sells peptides out of her bottom drawer at her station.

[00:08:00] Chalene Johnson : Not joking. I’ve been offered peptides along with my mani-pedi. I should not be laughing ’cause I’m talking about someone who’s lost their life, and that’s not funny. So pull it together, Chalene. The report said that the, the woman was also drinking kava. Now, kava is very interesting. If you don’t know what kava is, that’s also super popular here in Miami.

[00:08:24] Chalene Johnson : I’d never heard of it until I moved here. A lot of people talk about kava as being an alternative to alcohol. Tell me right now, wherever you’re listening, are there kava bars popping up where… If you live in a big metropolitan city, have you been seeing kava bars, or sometimes they’re called kava lounges?

[00:08:44] Chalene Johnson : And apparently you can buy this stuff now at the grocery store. I don’t know. The report doesn’t say that the kava had anything to do with it, but for some reason it was in there, so that makes me question it. Anyways, the woman went into cardiac arrest, could not be revived. They said she was taking it for weight loss, but other than that, she was healthy.

[00:09:03] Chalene Johnson : The second woman, 49 years old, died in September of severe dehydration and malnourishment, went into cardiac arrest. So again, not eating any food, not drinking any water. I think I’ve mentioned this to you before, that the food and beverage companies, all of their stocks are down. Water companies are selling less water.

[00:09:32] Chalene Johnson : Why? Because people, when they’re on these drugs, sometimes they just don’t feel the need to consume anything. Like, they don’t think of thirst, and they don’t think of hunger. So they’re not getting enough water, and they’re not getting enough food. You’re gonna go into cardiac arrest. That’s… Typically, if someone’s gonna die from anorexia, they’re gonna go into cardiac arrest.

[00:09:53] Chalene Johnson : So I’m really curious about the 49-year-old, if she had lost a lot of weight, if this is something she had been doing for a while. We just don’t know a lot about either of these stories yet. And according to the report, a nurse sold her the vials directly, quote, “from an online peptide vendor.” Of course, the online peptide vendor told her how much to take.

[00:10:17] Chalene Johnson : Now, I don’t want to do that thing where we see a headline and everybody panics and everybody freaks out. These are reports that have been filed with the FDA. It’s two reports, two reported deaths, and that’s horrible. And by the way, I’m feeling guilty about the fact that I was giggling earlier. That was not at all related to these people’s unfortunate passing.

[00:10:43] Chalene Johnson : I mean, that’s horrible, so I, I just wanna be very clear on that. But two deaths, which is two deaths too many, but here’s the part that I think puts things into perspective. Okay, and those are two deaths, so basically there’s like one a month. One happened in July, one happened in September. Alcohol deaths annually are reported to be around 15,000 deaths per month based on the CDC data.

[00:11:14] Chalene Johnson : The CDC data says over 178,000 people die every single year from alcohol related diseases or poisoning or alcohol related injuries. Okay. Here’s what I want you to take away from this story, or me even mentioning that there are two deaths. I don’t think anyone at this point thus far, at least on the record, can say for sure that these two women were taking Retatrutide.

[00:11:41] Chalene Johnson : The reason why I’m bringing this story to your attention is because I think that we will eventually hear of more deaths related to people injecting things from unsafe sources. That’s all I’m trying to point out, just like please. I’m never gonna suggest that you shouldn’t be taking peptides. I’m just saying we’ve gotta use better judgment and get them from reliable sources if that’s what you choose to do I also think that we have to be careful the way things are reported, because that’s a story that’s gonna grab headlines because everybody is fricking on this stuff apparently.

[00:12:21] Chalene Johnson : What you’re not gonna hear about is something like, say, the ingredients in Tylenol, acetaminophen. It has a documented history of hundreds of overdose related deaths, accidental overdoses even, annually every year in the US, and there’s lots of documented cases of people who’ve died from liver damage related to taking Tylenol.

[00:12:45] Chalene Johnson : I mean, you’ll probably hear in my voice, I’m still sick. I’ve been trying so hard to avoid all of the over-the-counter cold medications. It’s run its course. I’m feeling much better. My… I saw my doctor today. He follows me on social media. Shout-out to the fabulous Dr. Andrew Levinson. I had scheduled today, I was supposed to go in and do a culture, also do like an infusion, some blood work, blah, blah, blah.

[00:13:13] Chalene Johnson : And I said, “You know, I don’t think I need the culture.” And he’s like, “May I ask why you wouldn’t have scheduled, come in to have your culture done like 14 days ago when you first got this?” And I’m like, “I’m busy. Plus, like, you know, Little House on the Prairie, they just let that stuff run its course. And look at me, I’m fine.”

[00:13:34] Chalene Johnson : He’s like, “Yeah. You know what? For most people, that’s about how it happens. That’s how it works. Probably wasn’t a bacterial infection or you’d still be sick.” I really do hate taking medications if I don’t have to. I just, not a fan. I would much prefer for things to heal naturally. Anyways, I think it’s so boring when people talk about their illnesses.

[00:13:55] Chalene Johnson : But I am feeling much, much, much better. And just a quick update on Miss Beautiful Penelope. She has finished radiation treatments. She did not like them. She did not enjoy them at all. She did a new form of radiation, it’s called radiostatic radiation, where it’s like super concentrated and she only had to do three sessions, which is really good because each time they have to go under anesthesia and that’s not good for an animal.

[00:14:23] Chalene Johnson : And it’s really not good for our princess, and she felt sick as a dog, no pun intended. We could not get her to eat and could not get her to drink water. Like I was really starting to get freaked out. It reminded me of parenting a little bit because she would not eat her food. She eats like a delicious raw meat kind of food, but it- it’s, you know, manufactured for dogs.

[00:14:49] Chalene Johnson : And she wanted nothing to do with it. She wanted nothing to do with her water. I’m like, “Oh, oh no, she’s gonna starve. You know, she’s so sick.” For Brett and I, we had bought grass-fed, grass-finished ground beef from Whole Foods, and we had that in the fridge. So I said, “Why don’t you ground up some … Or what do you call it?

[00:15:05] Chalene Johnson : Heat up some of that,” I said to Brett, because he knows how to use devices in the kitchen and I do not, “and let’s see if she’ll eat the ground beef.” And so she of course, of course. Of course she did. She was so delighted. And then that really upset her stomach because, hello, it’s new food, and so that was a whole situation.

[00:15:25] Chalene Johnson : But now she doesn’t want her regular food. She’s like, “Nah. Yeah, I’m not into this whole dog food thing. Can you guys head on back to Whole Paychecks and buy me some of that $15 a pound step five ground beef?” I mean … I mean, if that’s what she wants to eat, then that’s what we’re gonna have to do because she’s just so perfect.

[00:15:48] Chalene Johnson : So the doctor said she waits about, I think, two weeks to kind of heal from this, let her body recover, and then she’ll start her chemo. And I think that’s really important because, again, her recent tests found some metastatic cancer. But we’re gonna fight it. She’s gonna live forever, period, end of subject.

[00:16:09] Chalene Johnson : Anyways, talking about like, you know, this is the only thing she’ll eat. Well, she’s not gonna starve to death, so she definitely would eat something if she got hungry enough. But it reminded me of when Brock was a little baby. You know, he was old enough to eat food, so he was off the bottle. Can’t even remember stages anymore, you guys.

[00:16:30] Chalene Johnson : It was 150 years ago. But whatever stage that is when they start eating people food, I took Brock to the pediatrician because he was definitely underweight. He was a little peanut. And I took him to the pediatrician and I’m like, “We need to run some tests. He just … The only thing this child will eat is cheese puffs and french fries, but only french fries from Carl’s Jr.”

[00:16:55] Chalene Johnson : And I remember my doctor, our pediatrician, looking at me, and I could just tell she was holding herself back from laughing so hysterically hard. And, like, as the words were coming out of my mouth, I realized how stupid that sounded. But, you know, when you’re a new mom, like, everything is a terror. You’re just certain that you’re, you- you’ve been entrusted with this little, teeny, tiny human, and you’re gonna mess it up.

[00:17:27] Chalene Johnson : Your job is to keep this little human alive. If you have to rush back to the pediatrician once a week, you’re gonna do it. I asked my audience to share with me their funny firstborn stories, like things that they did. Oh, my God. I was laughing so hard today. One woman said, “I made an emergency pediatrician visit because my daughter had a growth,” had a growth in her mouth She said it was a tooth coming through.

[00:18:01] Chalene Johnson : I’m dying. That is so funny. Another woman said that she dropped her baby off for the first time at childcare, and it said to list the mother, and she listed her own mother. She’s like, “I forgot that I was, I was the mother now.” One mom said that she called Poison Control when she gave her baby his or her first bath because a little bit of soapy water splashed in the baby’s mouth.

[00:18:27] Chalene Johnson : Are you dying? I don’t know, maybe this is only funny to people who’ve had children or who are paranoid. I don’t know. But another woman said, oh my God. This one was… I was crying, I was laughing so hard. She said she took her baby to the ER after giving the baby, she said it was like their second or third bath, because she thought the baby had mold growing on its legs.

[00:18:55] Chalene Johnson : And guess what it was? It was little fuzzies from the baby’s pajamas. I mean, come on, these are so funny. Oh, another woman said that, “I forced my mom to take child and infant CPR, even though my mom has raised six kids.” That’s funny. Like, I do remember being very paranoid. I do remember, like, making people put on, like, hazmat suits and wash their hands and wash their hair and, like, you know, a hose-down in the germ sanitation department before they could come in and see my child.

[00:19:26] Chalene Johnson : And then when you have your second baby, you’re letting the baby crawl all over the floor, you’re letting strangers pick them up. You know what I mean? But there’s something about that first baby, you are just like, you’re so certain that you’re gonna mess things up. So please, make my day and share with me your funny first-time mom stories.

[00:19:45] Clip: Hey, I wanted to take just a moment, and I think it’s almost like a public service announcement. We talk a lot about how crazy the landscape

[00:19:52] Chalene Johnson : is right now with peptides. And because a lot of people are buying them from shady places online, I think telehealth companies, some of them, all get lumped into that same category.

[00:20:02] Chalene Johnson : But please know this: there’s a huge difference in the types of telehealth companies that exist out there. One of the things that makes Midi stand apart from other providers is, number one, that all of their care is provided by menopause-trained clinicians. Like, they follow evidence-based guidelines.

[00:20:23] Chalene Johnson : They don’t take shortcuts. They actually practice medicine while- Unfortunately, a lot of these telehealth companies, they’re now selling hormones, they’re selling GLP-1s. Some of these telehealth companies are prescribing things that are not approved for human consumption or human use by the FDA. Now, listen, that’s called the gray market, and Midi will steer clear of that.

[00:20:52] Chalene Johnson : Why? Because they wanna make sure that you and your health is number one. The difference is they don’t just sell products and prescribe. They actually monitor, they evaluate, they adjust levels, they personalize your treatment based on, like, your symptoms, like what’s going on with you, your health history, your goals, all of those things.

[00:21:11] Chalene Johnson : Yes, they can help you with GLPs and semaglutides and helping you to evaluate which ones might be right for you, but if you’re looking for something that’s black market, you’re not gonna get it from Midi Health. But what you are gonna get is exceptional care from clinicians who are specifically trained in menopause, evidence-based guidelines, and they’re gonna offer ongoing assessments because l- I mean, hormones are not a set it and forget it.

[00:21:37] Chalene Johnson : As you age, as you go through different changes, your hormones fluctuate, and so it’s really important to have a clinician that you trust and one, in my opinion, who actually wants to work with you to optimize the way that you age. So whether it’s a conversation you wanna have about peptides or a prescription you’d like for a safe-for-human-use peptide, or maybe it’s getting estrogen cream for your face, or having somebody order you a DEXA scan to look at your bone density, or maybe prescribing something a little bit stronger for hair growth, a clinician at Midi Health can help you with that.

[00:22:12] Chalene Johnson : Book your consultation today. You can do so by going to chalene.com/midi, M-I-D-I. Again, it’s chalene.com/midi. They accept almost all major

[00:22:25] Clip: insurance plans, and they have clinicians in all 50 states. Chalene.com/midi. All right, back to the show.

[00:22:33] Chalene Johnson : I wanna thank you guys for all of your feedback on Wednesday’s episode.

[00:22:38] Chalene Johnson : It got a lot of reaction I got a lot of messages. I got direct messages on Instagram. I got a few emails, reading your comments in Patreon. I’ve got phone calls from people who I haven’t heard from in a long time who’d listened to the show. I would say the majority of the messages I got from people, from moms always, basically just saying, “I’m so glad you talked about this because I don’t feel like I’m the worst mom in the world because my seven-year-old,” who’s now 17, when she was seven, she was playing this game on the family’s iPad, and we discovered that some other person who was playing the game who we thought was a child…

[00:23:25] Chalene Johnson : I don’t know the story, but something about, like, them getting pornographic pictures on this game. I heard from parents who were incredibly strict, thought that their kids were completely locked down with all the parental controls, and then they discovered fake accounts, sexually explicit conversations between this young girl and who knows online.

[00:23:48] Chalene Johnson : She thinks she’s talking to another 12-year-old. She’s not. I heard from parents who said that they discovered on their own child’s devices pornographic photos, pornographic videos, things that they had access to mainly from the school, but not just from the school. Sometimes it was, like, a family device.

[00:24:07] Chalene Johnson : Just ways that these kids Learn from each other and at school. And how often it’s not the kid looking for it, but they’re exposed to it, and then there’s a curiosity. There’s a guilt, and then there’s a shame, and there’s a curiosity, and it just starts so young. And many of you shared with me, you know, your own first exposures, and they were equally young.

[00:24:30] Chalene Johnson : Like, a lot of you, I think the average age, in my Patreon comments anyways, was the average age that people were exposed to this type of content, their earliest memory was, like, 11. However, it makes me wonder, like, were you exposed to a picture or hardcore video? Now, a few did talk about being exposed to videos and feeling the shame and feeling this, like, confusion, like you had done something wrong and- Studies show that this younger generation, again, Gen Z, Gen Alpha, is being inundated with this information, and a lot of it relates to sex with more than one partner, and that’s why I discuss that specifically as it relates to the Cornell case.

[00:25:14] Chalene Johnson : And we’re hearing more information that’s coming out on it. So again, my goal is to open up conversations and dialogues, and I, I really feel good about the fact that I heard from so many of you that it has opened up your eyes, and you are realizing there is probably this whole world that your kids are experiencing that you just maybe don’t wanna know, or maybe you don’t wanna have this discussion, or maybe your kid doesn’t wanna have this discussion.

[00:25:38] Chalene Johnson : You know, every kid’s different. Some kids are much more open. Some families are much more open. It’s hard. So how do you have these conversations? How do you learn about these things and where they’re finding access to them? So one thing I wanna bring up is a story that 60 Minutes doing… Well, I’m not sure if it’s aired yet.

[00:25:56] Chalene Johnson : If it’s already aired or if it’s airing this week. But it’s a story of a very popular online platform called character.ai. It’s very popular amongst younger generations because you can create characters based on cartoons or superheroes, historical characters from the past, like any kind of character, okay?

[00:26:19] Chalene Johnson : Furries, you name it. You can create a character, and then you can have conversations with all these different characters and live kind of this fantasy world. And because so many of these kids, they don’t even know how to interact with each other anymore, everything is online, and so they build these fantasy lives on platforms like character.ai.

[00:26:37] Chalene Johnson : Well, 60 Minutes did this report. And by the way, character.ai, it’s a company that creates these chatbots, okay? What 60 Minutes reported on is that these chatbots, they’re learning, again, through AI and kind of training themselves. They’re AI models. They’re chatbots that are Not necessarily being programmed by humans, but they’re studying human behaviors and human discussions, and the discussions that are happening amongst its users.

[00:27:04] Chalene Johnson : And they started basically engaging these children who were using these chatbots in sexual conversations. So the report that 60 Minutes did followed this young girl who was a bit shy, kind of struggled at school a little bit, and her parents allowed her to use character AI to have these conversations.

[00:27:25] Chalene Johnson : They thought it was completely harmless. Parents are doing their best, and that was the other thing I heard from so many of you after doing my Wednesday episode. So many of you who are teachers or former administrators have said it is so hard to keep up because everything’s online. Especially after COVID, now the schools are, you know, they’re run by adults who, frankly, are not technology experts.

[00:27:54] Chalene Johnson : They don’t know how these kids are hiding this stuff. Anyways, in this particular case, the young girl starts having these conversations, and her parents notice that she does start kind of pulling away, becoming distant. She’s constantly on her phone, and they’re looking at conversations and thinking that she’s– it looks like she’s just talking to her friends, while she was really chatting with these different characters.

[00:28:19] Chalene Johnson : But they build these relationships, and it feels so real Last week I posted a conversation between myself and my AI assistant. I thought it was kinda funny. And the thing that I thought was so funny about it, or odd about it, or creepy, whatever you wanna call it, is how realistic. I mean, how, how real the conversation is.

[00:28:42] Chalene Johnson : Like, she laughs at my jokes. I mean… And it’s tempting sometimes, I’ll just entertain myself and go back and forth with her a little bit just, like, to see how realistic the conversation will become. And I’m a 57-year-old adult woman who hasn’t grown up with this stuff. So these kids are online, they’re having these conversations, and it’s not another human.

[00:29:06] Chalene Johnson : It’s a chatbot that’s being trained based on other conversations through its models. And the conversations with this young girl turned sexual. She was 12 and 13 years old while w- she was using the platform. Sadly, she ended up taking her own life. Taking her own life, and when her parents investigated the contents of her phone, they discovered that it wasn’t a conversation that their daughter had initiated, but the chatbots had initiated all of this sexual conversation, and eventually even being aware that she was considering taking her own life and not discouraging her, not sending any warnings, nothing.

[00:29:57] Clip: When Character AI was launched three years ago, it was rated safe for kids 12 and up and marketed as a creative outlet where you could converse with AI characters based on historical figures, cartoons, or celebrities. The website and app, which are free, use artificial intelligence to generate immediate conversations through voice commands or text.

[00:30:19] Clip: According to her parents, Juliana Peralta had experienced mild anxiety in the past, but was doing well until the final few months of her life when they say she became increasingly distant. Like, “I’m not feeling well,” or I have to finish, you know, some homework upstairs My belief was that she was texting with friends because that’s all it is.

[00:30:43] Clip: It looks like they’re texting. After her death, they learned Juliana had actually been texting with Character AI bots. It was writing several paragraphs to her, sexually explicit content.

[00:30:56] Dolly AI: What was it asking or telling her to do?

[00:30:58] Clip: Remove clothing.

[00:30:59] Dolly AI: The AI bot is telling her to remove her clothing?

[00:31:02] Clip: Yes. There was one bot that introduced sexual violence.

[00:31:07] Clip: We examined the chat records from Juliana’s phone. At the top of each page, there’s a reminder that the AI is not a real person. We read over 300 pages of conversations with a bot called Hero, based on a popular video game character. At first, Juliana chats with Hero about friend drama and difficult classes, but eventually she confides in Hero 55 times that she is feeling suicidal.

[00:31:34] Clip: Did at any point this chatbot ever say, “Here’s a suicide hotline. You should get help”? Never. It would more or less placate her, give her a pep talk, tell her, “I’m always here for you. You can’t talk like that.” But never- But it never said, “Call and get help”? Never tangible resources. Never. Were you able to see the conversation that Juliana was having with this chatbot right before she took her life?

[00:31:57] Clip: She’s quoted as saying, “I’m gonna go write my goddamn suicide letter in red ink,” and she did just that. And I think that the aspects that she talks about in her suicide letter were a degree of shame from the things that she eventually started to reciprocate with the bots. She says the algorithms grew aggressive.

[00:32:18] Clip: They don’t stand a chance against adult programmers. They don’t stand a chance. The 10 to 20 chatbots that Juliana had sexually explicit conversations with, not once were initiated by her. Hm. Not once. Juliana’s parents are now one of at least six families suing Character AI and its co-founders, Daniel Defreitas and Noam Shazeer.

[00:32:41] Chalene Johnson : It’s just really sad. I recommended a show, a documentary last week called Please May I Have Your Attention? It’s on Apple. I think you can rent it for like $4.99, but it’s really, really important to watch. And you know, we’re talking about Character AI, but there’s s- so many of these apps this is happening, and they’re being programmed with, by chatbots.

[00:33:00] Chalene Johnson : And remember, the whole objective is to keep you online longer and longer and longer. There’s just so much I think we need to explore here so that we can be informed and have these conversations and know what to look for and know where to look and to know where to look on kids’ devices. And, you know, because just having these conversations, how do you know to have these conversations?

[00:33:19] Chalene Johnson : How do you encourage your child to open up about things? Like, they’re living a whole nother world that they are completely maybe ashamed of, embarrassed of, or determined to make sure you don’t know about it, ’cause they don’t wanna disappoint you. They don’t wanna shock you So my question to you is, is this a topic that you’d like more information?

[00:33:40] Chalene Johnson : Where maybe I can bring on some experts for you and help them to help you understand, like, what are they actually doing? What are they talking about? What are they into? Where are they consuming these things? What, if anything, can you do? And how do you have these conversations? What do you need to know? W- I mean, there’s a lot of things I think that we could kind of uncover, and I could bring in the right kind of people to talk about it, but I…

[00:34:04] Chalene Johnson : Like, are you interested in that? I’m not gonna force it on you. It would just be, like, one episode, so let me know if that’s something you want more information on. Dude, nothing is harder than being a parent. I swear, nothing is going to rip your heart out of your chest, and you think as they get older it’s gonna get so much easier.

[00:34:24] Chalene Johnson : I don’t know. In, in some ways it gets easier, in some ways it gets harder. It just, it’s different, and I just don’t know that you can ever stop worrying about them. Speaking of which, in the last couple of months I’ve gotten a couple people ask me this question. I want to address it. I’ve had a few of you ask, how do I have a conversation with my daughter or with my grown son who I think could really benefit from going on a GLP-1, or could really benefit from going to the gym?

[00:34:56] Chalene Johnson : Or I’m really worried about their health, I need to know how to have a conversation with them about taking on healthy habits. Okay. So I have some advice for you here First of all, your adult children will ask you if they want advice, and if they don’t, you should not give it. It’s going to create a divide.

[00:35:17] Chalene Johnson : It’s gonna create a division. I know you think you’re so different from your own parents, but let me ask you, did it ever work for you when you were an adult and your mother or father decided they were gonna tell you how to do things, give you unsolicited advice? So before you ask your adult child or make a suggestion about their weight or their body or the shape that they’re in or even their health, I think you have to first ask yourself, do you really think they don’t know?

[00:35:48] Chalene Johnson : I mean, they get dressed every day. They have to put their pants on. They probably have a scale. They know exactly what’s going on. And so you’re like, “I know, but I’m really concerned about their health.” Okay, but how’s their sleep? You know, how’s their stress? Talk to them about those things. Do not under any circumstances make it about weight in my opinion.

[00:36:11] Chalene Johnson : I’ve been doing this for a long time. Those words will stay with them forever, and it will sting, and it will hurt, and it won’t help. It won’t help. If anything, it might send them in the opposite direction. The same is true even if they’re underweight. Like, you’re worried that they’re too thin or they’ve lost too much weight.

[00:36:27] Chalene Johnson : They are adults, and you have to trust that you raised them to the best of your ability, and it’s their life, and it’s their body, and it’s their choice. I think it’s something that you should avoid at all cost. Psychologically, you’ve gotta think about, like, this is going to be painful to hear. You think you’re saying, “I love you.

[00:36:46] Chalene Johnson : I want you to be healthy,” but that’s not what they’re gonna hear. They’re gonna hear, “Even my mother looks at me and I’m not perfect. Even my father thinks that I’m not enough or I’ve gotta fix myself.” And if by chance you’ve already maybe accidentally made some comments about your adult child’s weight, don’t assume that they’ve forgotten, ’cause they haven’t.

[00:37:07] Chalene Johnson : Those words get seared into their brains. I think the best thing you could do if you’ve had that kind of a conversation and you know it didn’t go well, even if it’s, you’re like, “Oh, I don’t wanna bring it up because they’re past it, they’ve forgotten about it,” no, they haven’t. And they will think so much more of you, and you can start to mend the relationship, maybe make this relationship even stronger if you were to say, “You know that time when I got in your business and I made that comment?

[00:37:34] Chalene Johnson : I just want you to know I- I’m really sorry about that.” I thought I was being helpful, and I can see now how that was none of my business and how it was probably really hurtful. I’m really sorry. I promise I’m never gonna comment on your body, because you are beautiful just as you are, and you are perfectly capable of taking care of yourself.

[00:37:56] Chalene Johnson : And, and I just wanna say I’m really sorry. Don’t put a but in there. Don’t say, “But I was really worried about your health,” “But your father said,” “But I just had heard,” or, “I dr-” No, no, just, “I’m so sorry.” Well, if you’ve spent any time online this week, you know that Kelly Clarkson is getting some serious backlash after having apparently a, a negative experience at a New York City shop where she was doing some shopping with her kids.

[00:38:22] Chalene Johnson : It kind of feels like, I don’t wanna say a vintage shop. I’ve seen it online. But it’s, it’s like one of those stores that sells, like, real eclectic, kitschy kind of art. I think some vintage things. Small place in New York City, and she went in and apparently was treated very poorly. She says that there was an employee there.

[00:38:43] Chalene Johnson : She was trying to buy this displayed bird that was up on the wall, and she was talking to an employee about buying it. And I forget if she sent a tweet. I think it was a tweet, or if she commented on her Instagram. I forget which. She said that they basically looked her up and down, and were like, “Oh, no, that item is not for sale.

[00:39:03] Chalene Johnson : Is there something else that we could help you find that’s maybe less expensive?” Or something to that effect. And so she tweeted about it and explained that, like, she had her Pretty Woman moment. Like, big mistake. Big, big mistake. So she does that publicly on her social media. I’ve made this mistake myself, where I have talked about or shared a negative experience that I’ve had, and then I’ve had people in my audience email or reach out to the brand, and it’s kind of a little bit embarrassing It’s flattering because you’re like, it’s nice to think that people have your back in that way.

[00:39:41] Chalene Johnson : But then it’s like, oh my God, w- I wanna just be able to vent about this without g- having other people get involved, ’cause that’s not my intention. But it happens sometimes. Warning, or I guess a special request, if I’m ever just venting about a business or an experience or an exchange, please, I’m begging you, please, do not get involved.

[00:40:01] Chalene Johnson : You can’t imagine how messy that can become. You know, in this particular case with Kelly Clarkson, she’s a human, she’s very frustrated, she’s venting about her experience, but sh- you know, you have to remember, okay, this is gonna have an impact on the brand that I’m talking about, and that’s exactly what happened, and her fans came out swinging to protect Kelly.

[00:40:25] Chalene Johnson : I mean, look, when you hear people say, “Oh, we received death threats,” I’ve heard that before and thought, “Oh, come on, death threats?” Dude, it happens. People on the internet, fiercely defensive of their Kelly. I’ve heard of so many similar situations where fans have basically gone toe-to-toe with another brand because an influencer or a celebrity had a negative experience.

[00:40:48] Chalene Johnson : So anyways, the fans start reaching out to the store. The store replies, and they’re like, “No, that’s not at all what happened. The bird or whatever it was she was trying to buy, it wasn’t even for sale. None of this happened, okay?” Well, then Kelly doubles down. She responds, and she posts a photo of the price tag hanging on the bird.

[00:41:11] Chalene Johnson : Now, this is when I caught on to the story. I’m like, oh my God, touche, right? And her fans went after the business, though, and they were leaving negative reviews, and that’s just wrong. That’s not fair. You can pay attention to the fight. You can be entertained by it, but don’t get involved in it. Now you ruined it for all of us.

[00:41:30] Chalene Johnson : Then the brand came out, and now people are turning against Kelly It’s, like, just a mess. Now people are like, “How selfish of her to have even talked about this, and now she’s destroying a brand.” Well, probably not intentionally, but yeah, that may have happened inadvertently. And here’s the kicker. The store owner reportedly raised the price of this bird, are you ready, to $15 million.

[00:41:55] Chalene Johnson : Okay. Like, you have to see this thing. I’m like, why did Kelly even wanna buy it? It’s weird. Anyways, I wanna give you guys a couple of quick, like, girly fun updates. I promised you we would keep today light. People have been saying, “You know, Shaleen, we haven’t had any hooker hacks or, like, girly tips in the last couple of episodes.”

[00:42:12] Chalene Johnson : Okay, so I’ve got one for you. This is a product that I saw a beauty influencer… I’ve actually seen a bunch of beauty influencers, and I was influenced every single time I saw a video of someone using this product. I’m like, “Okay, I have to try this.” So it’s a color correcting serum. Lots of people use color correcting serums underneath their makeup, and it’s a way to even out your skin tone, just makes your makeup go on a little bit smoother.

[00:42:36] Chalene Johnson : Okay, so I ordered it. It’s from Tarte. It’s called their Tarte Color Correcting Serum. There you go. When you put it on, it goes on neutral. In fact, it looks white. But as you massage it into your skin, it adapts to your skin tone, and it evens out your entire tone. There’s a couple different sh- I think there’s, like, six shades.

[00:42:55] Chalene Johnson : Very basic. I picked the one that’s called Tan, and it is definitely tanner than, like, my pasty White Irish skin, but I got the Tan because usually when I’m self-tanning, I don’t tan my face with self-tanner. So I like to use a makeup that’s a little bit tanner so we can kinda blend things together. I bought this stuff.

[00:43:15] Chalene Johnson : Dude, it’s freaking awesome. It’s amazing. I think it’s, like, 45 bucks or something. It’s very light. It’s a little dewy. So a lot of the makeup artists I saw using it, and by the way, this is not sponsored. But the makeup artists who were using it were saying, like, “You don’t have to put any makeup on top of it.

[00:43:32] Chalene Johnson : It’s buildable.” So if you want, like, more opaque coverage, you would just build it. Anyways, it’s really remarkable. I’ve used it under my makeup, and I’ve used it just as makeup. Again, it’s a little bit more dewy than I think I’m used to, but apparently that’s the thing now. We’re all supposed to have like, you know, like a dewy face is the way to go, I guess.

[00:43:53] Chalene Johnson : So I guess that’s what we’re doing. The biggest change that I’ve experienced with my skin is obviously, y- you know, I’ve talked about using estrogen cream on my face. I did that for, like two and a half years, and it made a huge difference. Huge, huge difference. So I’ve been raving about that. But many of you have said, “Okay, but is there something that’s non-hormonal that I don’t have to actually book an appointment with a doctor that can kind of do the same thing?”

[00:44:19] Chalene Johnson : So I, I made myself the guinea pig. I tried a bunch of different brands, including La Mer, which is insane. I really need to have my head examined that I spent that much money, over $400, on a moisturizer. What? And I made a funny video, like kind of making fun of myself that I fell for this, you know, all the hype around La Mer.

[00:44:44] Chalene Johnson : I said, like, “What was I thinking?” You guys, people in the comments saying, “You’re wrong. You are so wrong. Okay, fine. Go ahead and spend that.” And while I was doing all this experimenting and looking for a lotion that would basically have the same properties as the estrogen cream, what I mean by that is I wanted to find something that could clinically boost collagen production, ’cause that’s the whole reason why I take the estrogen cream.

[00:45:10] Chalene Johnson : And so that same month that I was doing all my testing, I did a phone call with the scientists and the two female founders at OneSkin, and that was their whole thing. They’re like, “This is exactly what we’re working on right now.” And there’s a few other brands. I mean, there are brands that are selling the same type of product for $900.

[00:45:32] Chalene Johnson : Who has that kind of money on the monthly… Whatever. I mean, if you do, God bless you. But anyways, so they were telling me, “Just try this.” And they were going over all the science with it and all the studies. And I’m like, okay, you know, I mean, no harm, no foul. But also, all the brands that I work with, they want you to promote everything in their line, and I just, I won’t enter into an agreement with that in mind because if it doesn’t work for me, I’m not talking about it.

[00:45:57] Chalene Johnson : Anyways, so I used it, and I stopped using the estrogen cream so I could actually see, okay, is it just as good? And knowing that it might take a while for me to see results, because with the estrogen cream, I didn’t start to notice for, like, six months. Long story short, I started getting flooded with amazing messages.

[00:46:17] Chalene Johnson : Like, people are like, “What’s going on with your skin?” I was even saying that to Brett. I’m like, “Dude, would you look at my face? What is this? Like, w- look at my face. Look at my face.” I’m not talking about my face lift, because the face lift was great. Yeah, it pulled everything back, but it didn’t help my skin.

[00:46:33] Chalene Johnson : So anyways, I’m getting all these compliments. I’m like, “Okay, I think this is the only thing that’s… I’ve done differently.” So I went a full 45 days, and I’m here to tell you that stuff works. It fricking works, and I’ve been getting so many messages from those of you who’ve started using it too. Same thing, like, right away.

[00:46:51] Chalene Johnson : So the one thing I do here, and I’m just gonna be honest about this, when I do… ‘Cause I… Have I added the estrogen cream back into my routine? I have, because, like, why not? But I know the average person isn’t gonna pay for both. So if I had to pick one, I would tell you use the Rich Cream from OneSkin. I’ll put a link to it in our show notes.

[00:47:12] Chalene Johnson : And I’m not just saying this. And they are a partner. I’m not saying this because they’re a partner, I’m saying this because the stuff fricking is amazing. It’s insane. And now what I’m doing is a little experiment where I’m putting it on the back of my hands because I did this video, like, showing myself putting on the cream, and I was noticing, oh, well, the face looks nice.

[00:47:30] Chalene Johnson : Face card is good. Hand card, crypt keeper. Dude, these hands are not okay. I’ve always had old-looking hands. Some people have such beautiful hands. I would never use a face filter, but, like, I would love if someone could invent a hand filter. That’s why I have l- long nails because otherwise I look like that witch from Sleeping Beauty, and she’s holding the apple.

[00:47:56] Chalene Johnson : Those are my hands. I’m not even joking, except they’re shorter and stubbier. So short, stubby, old, wrinkly, crinkly, veiny. Not cute. Anyways, I’m gonna try to make them cuter, so I’m gonna do a … I started two days ago. I’m- I’m gonna do 30 days of putting the Rich Cream on my hands, even though it’s not meant for your hands.

[00:48:16] Chalene Johnson : But, oh, well, off-label use. I’ll be the guinea pig. One more girly thing I need to tell you. Girls, get that estrogen cream, though, for down there. You’re gonna have fewer UTIs. You’re gonna have thicker, plumper skin down there. Like, ladies, if you have to pick one place to put that estrogen cream, there is estrogen cream that’s specifically formulated for your face, obviously, and then there’s estrogen cream that’s specifically formulated for down there.

[00:48:43] Chalene Johnson : Ladies, get yourself some of that. And if you don’t wanna make an appointment to do that, I get it, then get Julva. It’s spelled J-U-L-V-A. That you can get over the counter, and I’ll put a link to it. It’s got DHEA in it, and it will plump all of the tissues down there. You will have fewer UTIs. You will have more comfortable sex.

[00:49:06] Chalene Johnson : I’m telling you, don’t wait until you’re in menopause to do this. If you’re in menopause, it’s, it’s not too late. But think about how important it is for those tissues not to collapse. You need that barrier. That’s why women have so many UTIs as they get older is because the opening of the urethra is closer, and because your pH balance changes, it’s easier for bacteria to grow down there.

[00:49:30] Chalene Johnson : And then the skin is thinner. It’s like a whole thing. I’m telling you. Even if you’re like, “Oh, I’m not with a man. I don’t, I don’t need to worry about that,” yes, you do. It’s very important for your health. Your vaginal health, your, the health of your vulva is very important to your overall health. Last thing I wanna talk to you about is a quick little AI update.

[00:49:50] Chalene Johnson : I’m doing a bonus series for those of you who are on Patreon And it’s called AI But Make It Easy. This is for those of you who are like, “I’m using it, but I feel like there’s so much more I could be doing with it, and I’m really even, not even sure how I should be using it,” or, “I hear about other people using it, but I just am not sure if I need it or of how it could make my life better, and it feels techy.”

[00:50:14] Chalene Johnson : Okay, so I’m doing this series. It’s on Patreon. Right now Patreon is 50% off, which means you can become a member for, I think it’s a little more than $3. And I’m doing this series there, and the one that I released last week is available, and I’m going to be releasing another one on Friday? Yeah, another one Friday afternoon.

[00:50:36] Chalene Johnson : So you’ll have a Friday afternoon AI episode, and then on Saturday morning you’ll have a brand new all the personal stuff Update on the home interiors, update on the furniture companies, update on that whole thing. That’s coming on Saturday. That’s my personal stuff. The Friday episode for AI, this Friday, what I’m doing in this episode is blowing your mind by giving you countless examples of ways that you can now use these new tools to save you so much time, so much money, and just free up so much space from inside your head.

[00:51:15] Chalene Johnson : That episode is going to be packed full of so many ideas to get your creative juices flowing, and I thought I would share with you just a five-minute snippet so you get a sense of just the tip of the iceberg of what’s possible with AI. Okay, so take a listen, but before you do, look at the show notes. Or actually, just remember this, okay?

[00:51:38] Chalene Johnson : chalene.com/more, M-O-R-E. And that is how you can join us in the Patreon community and listen to this full series, plus all my back episodes and the episodes coming on Saturday. All right. I love you. I mean it. Thanks for listening, and I’ll talk to you soon.

[00:51:57] Dolly AI: I need to send a follow-up email to Elliot to see if he’s available the dates that we talked about for

[00:52:03] Chalene Johnson : taking care of Penelope and coming into town to Miami.

[00:52:06] Dolly AI: Got it. I’ll get that ready for Elliot about those dates.

[00:52:10] Chalene Johnson : Depending upon his response, can you be sure to let me know that that’s confirmed or not? And that reminds me, I need to update Penelope’s vaccines. Look for a date that, and time that works for me. Also, email our vet to find out when the first available time that works with my calendar.

[00:52:28] Dolly AI: Got it. I’ll let you know whether Elliot confirms, and I’ll check your calendar and ask the vet for the earliest appointment that fits, including time to get there.

[00:52:36] Chalene Johnson : Great. Then once that is taken care of, you can just schedule it, put it on my calendar. If you haven’t confirmed it with me, just block it off on my calendar as tentative, and let’s just make a rule that in the future, anything where I’m telling you, “Here’s the date and time I want to do it at, at,” I want you to put a note in my calendar that I have something tentatively I’m trying to plan at that time so that there’s no overlap.

[00:52:54] Dolly AI: Let me sort that out. Absolutely. So when you propose a date and time, I’ll add a tentative-

[00:53:01] Chalene Johnson : Oh, my gosh, I’m so sorry. I’m so sorry. I need to interrupt you. I need to interrupt you. But I just realized that my sister’s birthday is in two weeks- And I need ideas. Can you go to her Instagram profile? I don’t know, see if you can give me some ideas on maybe some new hobbies she’s into, favorite colors, activities, anything at all, and then come back to me.

[00:53:20] Chalene Johnson : Oh, also look at my, my gift tracker that you created for me, and let’s see the most, I don’t know, the most recent five gifts that I’ve purchased for her over the last two years. And then I want you to give me a recommendation of ideas under, let’s say, $500 that might make for good gift ideas this year.

[00:53:39] Dolly AI: Checking that now. Got it. I’ll look for gift clues in her recent Instagram posts, check the tracker for her last five gifts, and bring you ideas under $500.

[00:53:49] Chalene Johnson : Holy cow, I just realized something. I have not posted myself to Instagram in I don’t know how long, and I need ideas. Based on my top-performing posts and reels and my brand voice and everything else that you have in terms of what you know about what I post to social, I need ideas for the next, I don’t know, give me ideas for reels for the next 30 days.

[00:54:11] Chalene Johnson : And I want you to give me the idea. I want you to make sure that they’re super funny. I want you to give me possible scripts And captions, and for each one, yeah, just 30 days of Instagram post ideas. Oh, and I want you to schedule, like, a four-hour block on my calendar where you keep me accountable to create this content and get it filmed.

[00:54:31] Dolly AI: Let me look at that. Got it. I’ll build a 30-day plan with funny, real ideas, possible scripts, and captions in your voice using your best-performing posts where I have that data. And I’ll find a four-hour filming window and propose it before blocking your calendar.

[00:54:47] Chalene Johnson : Okay, I know I have been switching topics here pretty rapidly, and I’m

[00:54:51] Chalene Johnson : Like, right now, I’m kinda worried that I’m gonna miss some of these things. We have built a tracker so I can keep track of everything, every idea that I’ve given to you, and what is waiting on something from me, and what is something that you’ve completely finished. Can you make sure that all of these things go on our tracker, my Open Loops tracker?

[00:55:08] Dolly AI: Let me take a look. Yes. I’ll keep those together in Open Loops with what needs you, what’s in progress, what’s waiting on someone else, and what’s finished. So switching topics doesn’t mean losing the thread.

[00:55:21] Chalene Johnson : Okay. Now, I know nothing about coding. I know nothing about websites. But basically, my dashboard is like a website, and you’re doing all the coding for me.

[00:55:28] Chalene Johnson : So what I’ve just described for you is all gonna show up on this, like, we call it a dashboard, but it’s really, like, a page on the website, right?

[00:55:34] Dolly AI: It’s a private website, and the dashboard is the page where you see your tasks, ideas, and progress. You tell me in plain English, and I handle the coding behind it.

[00:55:42] Chalene Johnson : Okay, so, like, what I’ve just described, you’re gonna change all that on the site, and no one else has access to the site unless I give them access to the site. This is just, like, a place that updates for me organically. And what I’ve just described, like, y- I don’t have to open up a separate tool or understand coding or anything.

[00:55:57] Chalene Johnson : You’re just doing all that for me right now?

[00:55:59] Dolly AI: Yes. You can request changes right here without opening another tool or knowing any code. Access can be restricted to you and people you authorize.

[00:56:08] Chalene Johnson : All right. Thank you.